Best envelope filter for dub?

[reddi]

It seems the Dod fx25b and the Moog lpf get alot good reviews for dub sounds with the sensitivity knob turned down. I'm not to keen on the Dods build quality and the Moog doesn't have a hardwire bybass. What other envelope filters do you dub people like? Has anyone tried the Emma discumbobulator for dub? What other pedals pedals are you using for robust dub sounds?

[Deluge Of Sound]

You could build a clone of the FX25:
http://topopiccione.atspace.com/PJ11DODfx25.html

[sikamikanico]

i'd EQ to play dub... you can also buy a bypass pedal for the moog... or Maxon AF9, I got some dub-like tones out of it...

[jsh008]

sorry . . .but what is the dub sound? examples?

[Cannabass]

something completely different from what the op is talking about i think.

dub like oldschool reggae dub or dub like newschool "dub"?

why do you need an envelope filter for reggae bass...?

[BillyIVbass]

Dub is a genre of reggae. Give the Digitech Synth Wah a spin, plenty of options in one pedal. If it were me I'd use my Systech Envelope Follower.

[reddi]

Originally Posted by jsh008

sorry . . .but what is the dub sound? examples?

check out Stu Brooks work the Dub Trio...great bass tones. Keep the sugestions coming.

[JohnDavisNYC]

This is a tough subject, because 'real' dub doesn't usually have fx on the bass... 80's 'digital' dub, by scientist and such, sometimes has some bass fx... Dub is really all about maximum bass... And a filter turned off is an ok way to approximate that.

I think dubstep has confused the matter... It has little to do with dub.

'Dub' is a great book by Michael Veal. I recommend it to anyone interested in the music.

John

[Kobaia]

Originally Posted by JohnDavisNYC

This is a tough subject, because 'real' dub doesn't usually have fx on the bass... 80's 'digital' dub, by scientist and such, sometimes has some bass fx... Dub is really all about maximum bass... And a filter turned off is an ok way to approximate that.

I think dubstep has confused the matter... It has little to do with dub.

'Dub' is a great book by Michael Veal. I recommend it to anyone interested in the music.

John

sooo... you're saying.. check out the moog? or WMD fatman...?

i'm not sure what you're getting at
joke

[JohnDavisNYC]

[iamdenialNJ]

OP can you please post some videos of a bass sound you are trying to go for?

I would think flatwound strings and a pbass with the tone knob turned down would get you close to a old school reggae sound.

[Jared Lash]

Well, you hit on the two big ones. Stu Brooks uses the Moog and of course Bill Laswell popularized the use of the DOD FX25. I've used both with very good results. Another that I had success with is the Robot Factory Brain Freeze. I haven't tried it (yet) but I'd strongly recommend that you check out the Iron Ether Xerograph.

For those that were asking, a filter with the sensitivity turned down gives a huge pillowy lowend perfect for dub. John's right that traditional dub bass doesn't use effects on the bass, but it is a simple way to approximate those recorded tones. In fact, adding a transparent, tubey OD and a squishy comp gave me a VERY close approximation of classic King Tubby/Scientist/Mad Professor tones.

One advantage of a pedal is that you can turn it off and on to quickly change tones - something Stu Brooks does extremely well.

[reddi]

Thanks for all the replies people. I shouldn't have used the word "dub" in the title as that means different things to different people. So lets leave dub and reggae out of this thread. I like the Sub Dub patch in the Line 6 Bass Pod XT but thats the only patch i like in that box. Any tips on emulating this sound?

[Matt Dean]

Originally Posted by JohnDavisNYC

This is a tough subject, because 'real' dub doesn't usually have fx on the bass... 80's 'digital' dub, by scientist and such, sometimes has some bass fx... Dub is really all about maximum bass... And a filter turned off is an ok way to approximate that.

I think dubstep has confused the matter... It has little to do with dub.

'Dub' is a great book by Michael Veal. I recommend it to anyone interested in the music.

John

Originally Posted by Jared Lash

Well, you hit on the two big ones. Stu Brooks uses the Moog and of course Bill Laswell popularized the use of the DOD FX25. I've used both with very good results. Another that I had success with is the Robot Factory Brain Freeze. I haven't tried it (yet) but I'd strongly recommend that you check out the Iron Ether Xerograph.

For those that were asking, a filter with the sensitivity turned down gives a huge pillowy lowend perfect for dub. John's right that traditional dub bass doesn't use effects on the bass, but it is a simple way to approximate those recorded tones. In fact, adding a transparent, tubey OD and a squishy comp gave me a VERY close approximation of classic King Tubby/Scientist/Mad Professor tones.

One advantage of a pedal is that you can turn it off and on to quickly change tones - something Stu Brooks does extremely well.

Plus one to John and Jared's posts!

I play in a dub band and for the most part just use my Mesa M6 to get that deep dub tone (voice 2, deep pulled, treb rolled back). Sometimes I'll use an Xotic bass BB at a low gain setting and the bass boosted for slightly furry dub tone. And I will even use a filter (with envelope barely opening) hammered by a fuzz (iron ether) so when the envelope does open, I get a synthy tone for doom dub.

But, really for most dub you just want massive bass.

[syciprider]

Originally Posted by reddi

It seems the Dod fx25b and the Moog lpf get alot good reviews for dub sounds with the sensitivity knob turned down. I'm not to keen on the Dods build quality and the Moog doesn't have a hardwire bybass. What other envelope filters do you dub people like? Has anyone tried the Emma discumbobulator for dub? What other pedals pedals are you using for robust dub sounds?

The Maxon can do huge sounds. The Robot Factory Photron can pump out ceiling rattling dub sounds too.

[Blitzpulver]

Do you mean these kind of sounds?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm-p_f9oI1Q

[kevteop]

TBH just get a Jazz bass, string it with flats, and roll the treble off your amp. A good tube pre would be nice, to get a thick and compressed sound.

I wouldn't want to use an FX25 for this because it doesn't give you control over the resonant peak of the filter. If you're going to use a filter pedal for a dub sound, get one with a resonance knob.

[kevteop]

Originally Posted by Blitzpulver

Do you mean these kind of sounds?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm-p_f9oI1Q

More like this I think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBy2452qp7Y

Although he always used a Steinberger strung B-E-A-D.

[bigchiefbc]

The DOD is a bandpass filter, isn't it? If you just want massive dark bass, you're going to want to stick to a lowpass filter. The Moog certainly does get a lot love, but pretty much any LPF with the sensitivity rolled ALL the way off will do the job. You also might want to consider a bass boost, like the EHX Mole, Devi Ever Dark Boost, or something like that. Maybe even the DOD Meat Box (?)

[aledeville]

SFX X&M then you just mute the high loop. I love those sounds.
And when you want to kick asses, you just put a distortion and something else in the high loop.