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03-31-2010, 06:05 AM
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Anyone here who blends their wah with their "clean" signal?
I use a Boss LS-2 with EBS Valvedrive and Dunlop Crybaby Bass Wah 105Q into the LS-2's blended loop and while the Valvedrive blends perfectly the wah seems not to operate well into the loop. Especially in the heel position its almost as there is no clean signal running beneath it, which is is what I am trying to achieve.
signal chain is as follows:
Modulus FB4 >Korg DT10->Boss NS2 Send>Comp>Boss LS2>return NS2>NS2 out>Flanger>Delay>Amp
Boss LS2 Blended Loop >Valvedrive>Wah
Any help/info/suggestions on this?
Regards,
Last edited by Psybass : 03-31-2010 at 06:18 AM.
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03-31-2010, 06:49 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Saratoga county,New York,U.S.A | | | what mode are you running the ls2?...use the a+b mix,leave loop B empty,run whatever fx you want to blend in loop A and mix the signals via output level knobs on ls2...
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03-31-2010, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by rekesbass  what mode are you running the ls2?...use the a+b mix,leave loop B empty,run whatever fx you want to blend in loop A and mix the signals via output level knobs on ls2... | Thanks for your reply. That's exactly what I do....It is just, as I stated in my opening post that the wah does not seem to behave as well in the blend, as the valvedrive....There is a volumepot on the wah, but this does not really help matters... |
03-31-2010, 07:55 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Portland, OR | | | The 105Q probably inverts the phase of the signal. The signal from the wah and your dry signal are cancelling each other out. It is most notable in the heel down position because more fundamental in your inverted signal will cause more of your dry to be cancelled.
I've had some problems blending filters because of this. |
03-31-2010, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by cheapbasslovin The 105Q probably inverts the phase of the signal. The signal from the wah and your dry signal are cancelling each other out. It is most notable in the heel down position because more fundamental in your inverted signal will cause more of your dry to be cancelled.
I've had some problems blending filters because of this. | Thanks for your reply! I thought it was something like that. Does this mean that wah pedals generally "don't belong" in a blended loop or is it because of the LS-2?
I am aware that the Xotic X-Blender has a phase switch so that wah pedals can perform better in their blend. But before I am going to spend dough on such an item, I would want to know if their are any other possibilities with the current gear I have. |
03-31-2010, 03:35 PM
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03-31-2010, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Psybass Anyone else have any ideas? | If I get some time this weekend, I'll run my 105Q with my Barge VB-Jr (it's a blend pedal) which has the optional phase inversion switch.
Sorry I can't do it a bit sooner but I *should* be able to report on Sunday night...
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04-01-2010, 05:19 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: belgium | | | the 105Q already has a clean blend... |
04-01-2010, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by lowmid the 105Q already has a clean blend... | Mine doesn't, unless there's an internal trimpot I'm unaware of.
Just Volume and Q knobs on the bottom.
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04-01-2010, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by lowmid the 105Q already has a clean blend... | Are you sure......????  |
04-01-2010, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by phatbass If I get some time this weekend, I'll run my 105Q with my Barge VB-Jr (it's a blend pedal) which has the optional phase inversion switch.
Sorry I can't do it a bit sooner but I *should* be able to report on Sunday night... | No problem...thanks for your reply and your help!!!  |
04-01-2010, 04:54 PM
|  | Supporting Member | | Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: London, England | | | Yeah apparently the 105q does internally mix clean/wet tones to a pre-set blend.
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04-01-2010, 06:29 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2005 Location: London, England | | | It doesn't have a built in blend. It only wah's the mids and highs, leaving the low end clean. It sounds like a blend, but it's not, it's just only wahing above a certain frequency.
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04-05-2010, 07:00 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Perth, WA, Australia | | Quote:
Originally Posted by phatbass If I get some time this weekend, I'll run my 105Q with my Barge VB-Jr (it's a blend pedal) which has the optional phase inversion switch.
Sorry I can't do it a bit sooner but I *should* be able to report on Sunday night... | It appears that the 105Q doesn't invert the phase of the signal - with the invert switch off it sounded normal but with the signal inverted (and therefore out of phase) it thinned out the sound considerably.
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04-06-2010, 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by phatbass It appears that the 105Q doesn't invert the phase of the signal - with the invert switch off it sounded normal but with the signal inverted (and therefore out of phase) it thinned out the sound considerably. | Hmmmmm.....I'm confused now....Maybe I have to look into the order of my set tup....Or abandon the idea of blending the wah...Or try another blend pedal...Anyways, thanks for your time and your help.....Much appreciated!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
04-06-2010, 01:33 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Perth, WA, Australia | | | How does it work for your needs with just the Valvedrive in the LS-2 loop and the 105Q before or after the LS-2 (so the wah is directly in the signal path and not being blended)?
In my experience the 105Q works fine without having to blend in clean signal. I'll qualify that by saying that for what I do when I use an effect, I don't want subtle; I want it REALLY obvious and in yer face, so everyone within a 5 block radius knows I'm using the wah...
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04-06-2010, 01:40 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: belgium | | | Higgie, you description is that of a blend! ok it isn't totally clean, it's technically a low pass filter, but the signal is split in two, the lows go clean and the Lowmids and above go wha! That's a blend! |
04-06-2010, 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by phatbass How does it work for your needs with just the Valvedrive in the LS-2 loop and the 105Q before or after the LS-2 (so the wah is directly in the signal path and not being blended)?
In my experience the 105Q works fine without having to blend in clean signal. I'll qualify that by saying that for what I do when I use an effect, I don't want subtle; I want it REALLY obvious and in yer face, so everyone within a 5 block radius knows I'm using the wah... | The 105Q indeed works fine without having to blend in a clean signal and I used that in this way for many years. I guess I am in a subtle phase know and wanted to try it in a blended loop...When an idea strikes me I have to exhaust every possibility to make it work and only give it up when it's only been declared clinically dead.....
Anyway, I think I will try it outside the loop again, before or after the LS2. In case I will change the LS2 for similar product in the future i might try again..... |
04-06-2010, 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by lowmid Higgie, you description is that of a blend! ok it isn't totally clean, it's technically a low pass filter, but the signal is split in two, the lows go clean and the Lowmids and above go wha! That's a blend! | Two discussions going one here, hey Too bad I am not a tech, otherwise I could join in....I think we need a judge to determine who's wrong and who's right.... | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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