Cabinet/Mic Emulation

Gearhead17 · #1 02-24-2011, 09:09 PM

I am looking for a SMALL and SIMPLE device to give me the sound of a miked up cabinet. Asking for a mic at shows is like asking for a loan from a total stranger - so I thought I might make it simpler for sound guys.

I am planning on sending an "dirty" channel through this "magic" box and getting instant cabinet/Mic emulation (guitar cab is perfect). I use distortion, EQ pedal (mainly for the distortion and balancing the levels), a blend pedal and an Octave pedal. I want a "livelier" tone to give to sound guys. Currently, I am giving sound guys a direct signal of the effects blended with my clean tone. They do not complain, but I know distortion direct does not sound too pleasant.

I thought about the Line 6 Pod XT (Rack version), but I really want to stick with something smaller.

Any help is appreciated.

I use a Carvin BX1200 - taking a direct feed off the amp into a DI is not going to work here.

******Quick Edit
I am not looking for "perfection" here. I know it will never sound the same as the real thing, but if I can make my effects sound better, then I am happy. It's mainly for bar shows - like they are going to notice! LOL!

bongomania · #2 02-24-2011, 10:11 PM

There are two easy answers:
1) boxes specifically meant for this task, like the H&K Red Box
2) an EQ rolling off the highest and lowest frequencies

reddi · #3 02-25-2011, 02:37 AM

Has anyone tried the Fromel EQ in this aplication?

Smurf-o-Deth · #4 02-25-2011, 05:29 AM

Probably would be a natural fit, considering the low shelving@75hz and high shelving@5.6kHz.

ga_edwards · #5 02-25-2011, 06:14 AM

I'm going to say the dreaded 'B' word, but don't run away just yet. Behringer make a DI with a switchable 4x12 cab emulation. Sure, a 4x12 is more guitar orientated, but you may find it works well.

There's prob oodles of other DI boxes with speaker emulation, but I'm really not the man to ask about such things!

rekesbass · #6 02-25-2011, 07:27 AM

don't the SansAmp(vt,leeds.oxford,ect,) pedals have speaker sim??

fitz420 · #7 02-25-2011, 08:37 AM

the new markbass booster has the VLE, or vintage loudspeaker emulation, filter on it. I use the VLE knob sparingly on my LMII and like it alot.

Gearhead17 · #8 02-25-2011, 08:42 AM

Let me clarify, I am looking for speaker simulation that is NOT based on a pre-amp like the VT Bass, BDDI, or various Tech 21. I basically have sounds I like in the pedal chain, just need to get something that emulates the cabinet tone without a mic. The VT Bass is a nice piece of gear, but I already have a distortion.clean tone that works for me.

strke-fender · #9 02-25-2011, 09:11 AM

Line 6 Bass Pod has cabinet emulation.

Footbutt · #10 02-25-2011, 01:25 PM

line 6 should make a cab modeler DI.
how sweet would that be?!

bongomania · #11 02-25-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Gearhead17

Let me clarify, I am looking for speaker simulation that is NOT based on a pre-amp...

Fair enough--just so long as you know that "speaker simulation" is just EQ.

jaspercbass · #12 02-25-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gearhead17

I use a Carvin BX1200 - taking a direct feed off the amp into a DI is not going to work here.

Something you could try is taking a DI from one of your speakers. All you would need is a passive DI box that can handle a speaker load, such as the Radial JDI or Countryman Type 85. Instead of taking the DI straight from your head, you would run a line from either a speaker cab or a speaker output from the Carvin. This way you are getting the full sound of your amp post-eq and is a decent replacement for a mic'd cab.

Heck, if you want to try it out one night, I got a JDI I could loan you for a show since you're in the area.

bassbrad · #13 02-25-2011, 02:41 PM

No rules against having your own mic for those occasions.

Gearhead17 · #14 02-26-2011, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jaspercbass

Something you could try is taking a DI from one of your speakers. All you would need is a passive DI box that can handle a speaker load, such as the Radial JDI or Countryman Type 85. Instead of taking the DI straight from your head, you would run a line from either a speaker cab or a speaker output from the Carvin. This way you are getting the full sound of your amp post-eq and is a decent replacement for a mic'd cab.

Heck, if you want to try it out one night, I got a JDI I could loan you for a show since you're in the area.

That is exactly what I thought of earlier today, but I was unsure if that is safe to do so? Would the amp see an additional load from a speaker out? Can you send a bunch of wattage to a Radial JDI? Or am I looking at it wrong?

bongomania · #15 02-26-2011, 09:03 AM

It is safe. The manual explains it. The basic deal is:

amp --> speaker cab --> parallel out jack to JDI --> PA mixer

The JDI does not present a load to the amp.

JimmyM · #16 02-26-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bassbrad

No rules against having your own mic for those occasions.

unfortunately, even if you bring your own, you'll still get soundmen who balk at it. sometimes they make me be a real jerk and pull rank in order to get it done.

Gearhead17 · #17 02-26-2011, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

unfortunately, even if you bring your own, you'll still get soundmen who balk at it. sometimes they make me be a real jerk and pull rank in order to get it done.

When I mention I have an Audix D4, eyes glaze over and whatever they can say to not use it, comes out. They do not have a clue the D4 is a Hyper Cardiod and will reject the neighboring sounds really well. I have to add, most of the time we are on crowded stages and stage bleed is a valid issue. Sooo, using the Radial JDI to send an effects signal and a separate JDI for my clean tone, would probably go over well. Getting two channels might be a little difficult, but should be easier than getting a mic channel.

Gearhead17 · #18 02-26-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bongomania

It is safe. The manual explains it. The basic deal is:

amp --> speaker cab --> parallel out jack to JDI --> PA mixer

The JDI does not present a load to the amp.

In the last 5 days, I have not had a chance to do much research on my end. Thanks for explaining it. This sounds like the way I will do it.

diechris · #19 02-26-2011, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

unfortunately, even if you bring your own, you'll still get soundmen who balk at it. sometimes they make me be a real jerk and pull rank in order to get it done.

thats why you need a graphic EQ w/sub oct pedal to "accidentally" leave on when you do a sound check take and it out on his monitors...

rob_thebassman · #20 02-26-2011, 12:06 PM

line 6 pod gx for recording