Clean di's which one on your board?

Bjazzman · #1 03-29-2008, 07:08 PM

Now that i know its good to use seperate di's for clean and dirty, which ones have you been using for the clean signal(before the effects). Im looking for something other than my countryman that i could velcro to my board. radial maybe?

Earwaxsculptor · #2 03-29-2008, 09:07 PM

Not that I use it but I think the Radial JDI is the best one to use on a board from a price/performance standpoint. There is even a 2 channel model, so you have one for the dirty side too! But, IMHO if you play clubs with thier own soundguy, you may never even get DI'ed, nonetheless 2 seperate DI's so I think you are better of using a blending pedal to mix your channels, then 1 DI signal if needed, at least that way you have a nice blended signal out of your cab just in case

Bjazzman · #3 03-29-2008, 09:36 PM

yeah that jdi looks sweet, but what examples do you have of a blend pedal? also, can't the soundman get the best mix of the 2 di's and the mic'd cab. i also have a di on my markbass f1 but i haven't used it yet since i haven't heard good things about that di

Jim Carr · #4 03-29-2008, 09:38 PM

Why do you want to replace your Countryman DI?

Bjazzman · #5 03-29-2008, 09:43 PM

thats a good question. the only reason would be should i not fix it to my board? or would the jdi be an upgrade?

seanm · #6 03-29-2008, 09:47 PM

I was going to say countryman, but you have one.

I also have a Radial ProDI. Passive DI. Half the price of the JDI, and live I don't think you could tell the difference.

Earwaxsculptor · #7 03-29-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjazzman

yeah that jdi looks sweet, but what examples do you have of a blend pedal? also, can't the soundman get the best mix of the 2 di's and the mic'd cab?

Blend pedal...pricey route with lots of options: Xotic X Blender (I have one and love it). Budget route with options worth every penny: Barge Concepts VFB-jr. (do a search for either)

As far as the soundman question.....maybe I'm just a jaded NJ musician but ummmmmm most of the time NO. I suggest you do the best you can with your signal prior to handing it over if you do not have your own soundguy.

And, listen to Sean cause I didn't even know about that DI.

Bjazzman · #8 03-29-2008, 10:05 PM

would there be any difference in sound between the countryman and the jdi?

Bjazzman · #9 03-29-2008, 10:10 PM

that xotic x blender looks cool but what if i did want seperate di's for clean and dirty can i still do that with the xotic? would i still incorporate the countryman somewhere in there?

seanm · #10 03-29-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjazzman

would there be any difference in sound between the countryman and the jdi?

Active or passive bass?

The countryman can give more highs to a passive bass since it has a higher input impedance. If you roll off the highs anyway, this is a moot point.

The JDI will not distort if you have a huge output from an active bass. The JDI is also passive which can be a plus if you are working with unknowledgeable soundmen.

Other than that, it gets very subjective.

Earwaxsculptor: The JDI is a better DI than the ProDI, but I feel that in a live situation, the differences are negligible. And for half the price.... I will take the ProDI.

Earwaxsculptor · #11 03-29-2008, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjazzman

that xotic x blender looks cool but what if i did want seperate di's for clean and dirty can i still do that with the xotic? would i still incorporate the countryman somewhere in there?

No, I am trying my best to get you away from that double DI/Mic'ed cab mindset, not that I think you are wrong. I myself have been where you are with that, only after years of playing shows, buying gear, changing setups etc etc etc did I get where I am now (which essentially is nowhere so hypothetically you can flush my wisdom right down the toilet if you want, just remember that the toilet paper you will use is made up of the entire "music business" as we know it, which IMHO as well as many others is as dead as dead can be......ahh sorry for the rant it's not directed at you in any way, It's Satuday night & I feel good....I am just trying to give you a professional opinion (oxymoron anyone?) on the matter. Remember LESS IS MORE, even if you want MORE, you still can get it in a LESS kinda way, especially when you are an aspiring artist. Try to keep it as efficient as possible for your live gigs until you can afford to pay people to worry about 2345426 signal paths for you. I vote blender pedal and 1 D.I. FTW!!!!!!!<----my little brother gets me hip to all this internet shorthand, and I listened to your stuff on myspace, I applaud you for your originality and goodluck.

Bjazzman · #12 03-29-2008, 10:33 PM

as far as passive or active.. sometimes i use a p-bass with quarter pounders and sometimes i use a modulus q6.

sounds like i should keep the countryman....

but sorry for my slow brain.. how would the signal path work with either the barge or the xotic?

instruments-countryman-effects-xotic/barge-amp?

Earwaxsculptor · #13 03-29-2008, 10:41 PM

This is the way I would do it Istr.->Blender->(effects in blender loop blended to taste)->Amp->DI from amp (you have a nice amp, I doubt the DI is sub-par)

Bjazzman · #14 03-29-2008, 10:48 PM

cool thanks for the blender tip.. now i have to deceide to pony up the extra cash for the xotic or get the barge. looks like both are good options. the thing i like about the barge is that it takes up less real estate. not sure if i would use the extras on the xotic too but im sure they are worth it.

Bjazzman · #15 03-29-2008, 10:50 PM

im also thinking about getting a large true bypass strip for my pedals. how would the blender fit in the signal path then?

Earwaxsculptor · #16 03-29-2008, 10:56 PM

Ummm now your getting into apples and oranges, to much true bypass can be bad too, do a search ......but, if you are that hardcore get a custom strip with a individual blends on each channel, but that is hardcore if you ask me.

Bjazzman · #17 03-29-2008, 11:02 PM

yeah see im not sure of things that i "need" i just want to eliminate hum and buzz the the best of my abilities. i probably don't need to keep the pedals that have true bypass in the loop strip but then again im not sure the best situation. i like the less is more situation but having lots of pedals, i would like to find the best situation for live and recording.

Earwaxsculptor · #18 03-29-2008, 11:12 PM

Live and recording are two different animals, recording is where you will want the "umteen different channels recorded at once" approach, it is certainly attainable in todays digital world. Where, live is where you want the K.I.S.S. approach (ala blending) because nobody, and I mean NOBODY will be able to discern the difference if you ask me. IMHO YMMV ETC ETC ETC........

Bjazzman · #19 03-29-2008, 11:17 PM

sorry to beat a dead horse but would you recommend going then:

inst-blender effects loop- true bypass loop-blender-amp?

or should i just keep the countryman for the clean and get a mxr di for the dirty stuff?

Coelho · #20 03-29-2008, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Earwaxsculptor

live is where you want the K.I.S.S. approach (ala blending) because nobody, and I mean NOBODY will be able to discern the difference if you ask me. IMHO YMMV ETC ETC ETC........

I totally agree 100000%. I have everything I need IMO to get MY sound. In a live situation with FOH, that doesn't mean anything. I can have the appropriate everything for my sound, but once it gets in the FOH, I depend on their board, their amps, their speakers... I have no control over what the public is listening. t doesn't matter if I am using SS or tube amp, etc.