compact flanger to replace deluxe electric mistress

[RCCollins]

Hi folks, I have a specific flanger question that isn't addressed directly in any of the discussion I've seen here.

I REALLY like the sound of the deluxe electric mistress. The XO "Stereo" version? Less so.

I can get a wide variety of great digital flanger sounds out of my TC Nova Modulator (especially the through-zero mode) but I want that thick, analog DEM sound in a more compact package.

Flanger discussion is fairly thin around here. I'm not looking to do super weirdness (I have plenty of ways to do that already), I just want that super thick, comb-filtery DEM sound. I know an XO version is coming from ehx at some point (assuming the rumors are true), but until that day comes, can someone suggest a simple, compact flanger that comes close?

The Boss flanger sounds too 80s to me. Nothing wrong with that but it's exactly the sound I don't want. Too slick, too clean, too controllable.

I want a thick, gritty, retro-70s kind of flanger that fits on my board and doesn't reuire an AC adapter. Help me out, guys!

[Jared Lash]

Maxon FL9?

I'm not much of a flanger guy, but I thought this one was good.

The old DOD's are great (640, 670) but you wouldn't save much space with them.

[RickenBoogie]

+1 for the Maxon. I have the chorus, it's greatness.

[RCCollins]

OK, looking into the Maxon, it's more or less a clone of the Ibanez FL9. Can somebody give me a reason or reasons NOT to just go with a reissue Ibanez FL9, used, for a fraction the cost of the Maxon?

Cause you understand I'll probably replace it if and when an XO DEM comes out...

[Jared Lash]

I've never tried the DEM. Other than size, what's the difference between it and the XO Stereo Electric Mistress?

[RCCollins]

Originally Posted by TheBigO

I've never tried the DEM. Other than size, what's the difference between it and the XO Stereo Electric Mistress?

completely different. for one thing, the SEM is digital. It's not even the same control configuration, nor is it a chorus/flanger.

DEM: color, range, rate and switchable filter matrix mode (a bitchen comb filter)

SEM: rate, flanger depth, chorus depth, and filter matrix activated by lowering rate knob

[lowstar]

are you sure they´re gonna make an all analog XO deluxe mistress ? they´d need a lot of SAD1024, which are already extinct. hell, it´s hard to even find replacement 1024´s to repair old mistresses !

but i´m glad at least somebody recognizes that the XO stereo mistress don´t sound so hot.

i have an original dem, but you know what ? the bf-2b sounds better to me...same vibe, but retains more low end (oh, now all those people that never played a bf-2b but only bf-2´s are gonna come at me saying that it sounds like kaka just because they´ve read it somewhere). if you can find one used, they sometimes go for pretty cheap.

something else along the same lines as the deluxe mistress and smaller and also all analog would be the mxr 117-r flanger, uses the same SAD bbd delay chip.

cheers,
lowstar

[lowstar]

p.s. if you just wanna save pedal board real estate, put another effect on top of your electric mistress, there´s enough space...plus that elevated effect will be easier to stomp on !

cheers,
lowstar

[RCCollins]

Originally Posted by lowstar

are you sure they´re gonna make an all analog XO deluxe mistress ? they´d need a lot of SAD1024, which are already extinct. hell, it´s hard to even find replacement 1024´s to repair old mistresses !

but i´m glad at least somebody recognizes that the XO stereo mistress don´t sound so hot.

i have an original dem, but you know what ? the bf-2b sounds better to me...same vibe, but retains more low end (oh, now all those people that never played a bf-2b but only bf-2´s are gonna come at me saying that it sounds like kaka just because they´ve read it somewhere). if you can find one used, they sometimes go for pretty cheap.

something else along the same lines as the deluxe mistress and smaller and also all analog would be the mxr 117-r flanger, uses the same SAD bbd delay chip.

cheers,
lowstar

thanks for the tips - I used to have a BF-2B and wasn't crazy about it (had a DEM at the time, too)

mxr 117r seems appealing

I might even look for an old school (pre deluxe) electric mistress and see if I can have it modded for bypass and power adapter input...anybody got one?

[Gashaponcito]

mmm DEM its a pretty nice pedal... I hope something comes up from this thread

[benevan]

The hartman flanger is a clone of the original electric mistress. You might want to give it a shot.

[BadB]

Originally Posted by RCCollins

OK, looking into the Maxon, it's more or less a clone of the Ibanez FL9. Can somebody give me a reason or reasons NOT to just go with a reissue Ibanez FL9, used, for a fraction the cost of the Maxon?

Cause you understand I'll probably replace it if and when an XO DEM comes out...

The Ibanez is a clone of the Maxon. I am only assuming that the Maxon is a better build, which is why I'd pick it over the Ibanez if I couldn't A/B them directly.

[OptimusPrime]

MXR.

[jbybj]

Line 6 Liquaflange.

[RCCollins]

Originally Posted by jbybj

Line 6 Liquaflange.

thanks but I've got a great modelled flanger already - I want an old school, analog vibe now

[keb]

I haven't personally heard of anything else that can cop the DEM sound... I love mine, even if it is does take up a lot of real estate and needs its own power. A bit of a pain I admit, but it's the price of admission I suppose.

[James Hart]

Originally Posted by RCCollins

OK, looking into the Maxon, it's more or less a clone of the Ibanez FL9. Can somebody give me a reason or reasons NOT to just go with a reissue Ibanez FL9, used, for a fraction the cost of the Maxon?

Maxon designed and built all the famous Ibanez pedals in the 70s & 80s... in actuality, the new Ibanez reissues of the 9 series are knock offs of the Maxon stuff.

[RCCollins]

Originally Posted by James Hart

Maxon designed and built all the famous Ibanez pedals in the 70s & 80s... in actuality, the new Ibanez reissues of the 9 series are knock offs of the Maxon stuff.

right, sorry if I was unclear, I realize it was maxon who made those, my question was really more practical: big enough a difference to pay 2-3 times as much for?

In any case I'm thinking of strapping a couple pedals on top of a DEM on my board at this point... or hunting down a vintage Big Muff sized EM and having it modded... awww yeah

[WeightedWings]

Perhaps before you start strapping pedals to pedals and buying older gear and other such haberdashery, give this a little bit longer?

http://www.buildyourownclone.com/flanger.html

Its not out yet, but I recall someone mentioning that it could cop all kinds of old school flanger nonsense. Plus its probably a load cheaper than buying an old school EM and having it modded, and alot smaller than the one you have now.

[Mr. Pickles]

+1 on the Hartman Flanger

http://www.hartmanelectronicstore.co...3&productId=24

It's not quite compact, and it's pricey, but I think it nails the tone you've described.