complicated signal flow problem/ what do i need?

strke-fender · #1 08-20-2009, 05:59 PM

hi guys, I'm having some signal path/routing problems and I'm not sure what I need to get to make this work.

So, I have a pedal board

and an amp

and two basses

Now, here's when I'm stumped.

What I want to do it run the Fender in input 2 of the mesa, with the effect out of of the BBM running into channel one.

But, with out moving any cables around, have the Gibson running in channel one with the effect out of the BBM running into channel one.

I thought I could do it with two EHX Switchblade pedals, I'm not familiar at all with products out there for routing and signal paths, except the boss LS-2 and I'm not even completely certain of all its capabilities.

It would be great if I could do this for $100 or less.

Sorry about the big pics and thanks for the help.

bongomania · #2 08-20-2009, 06:39 PM

The way you have it written, I don't see what the problem is.

Fender --> Mesa input 1

Gibson --> BBM --> Mesa input 2

Is that right?

Edit: Actually as I think about it, the question must be how to integrate the rest of the pedals into that equation. Yes? Let me think about that one a bit more.

bongomania · #3 08-20-2009, 06:44 PM

If I've understood you correctly, the answer is simple. You just need one box at the very end of your chain, to switch between amp inputs. The BBM has a bypass switch, so it doesn't need to be "removed" from the chain when playing the Fender--just hit the footswitch. So, as far as amp input switchers, check out the Radial Bigshot line. There are lots of options from other brands, but IMO the Radials provide a lot of quality per dollar.

strke-fender · #4 08-20-2009, 06:45 PM

right. and i need the Fender to be fuzzed too.

bongomania · #5 08-20-2009, 06:47 PM

Oh, and *forehead slap* you of course need another box to switch between the two basses at the very input of the pedalboard. Again, there is a Radial Bigshot for that.

If you're on a tight budget, either one of those switcher boxes would be a relatively easy DIY.

strke-fender · #6 08-20-2009, 06:48 PM

well your solution would work if i didn't want to run

fender > pedals -bbm (out of dry out)- pedals> channel two. with the effect out going to channel two.

i don't really want the gibson to be fuzzed. i mean it sounds way better with the fender. i just want to be able to switch from gibson to fender and have that set up with out moving around cables.

would one of those true bypass loop masters help?

bongomania · #7 08-20-2009, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strke-fender

well your solution would work if i didn't want to run
fender > pedals -bbm (out of dry out)- pedals> channel two. with the effect out going to channel two.

Ah, you didn't say that before. So you want to use both amp inputs simultaneously when you're using the Fender? Not to be cheeky, but why? Are you trying to achieve a mix of clean and effected signal?

Quote:

Originally Posted by strke-fender

i don't really want the gibson to be fuzzed. i mean it sounds way better with the fender.

Is there any reason simply stepping on the bypass switch of the fuzz won't work for you?

Quote:

Originally Posted by strke-fender

i just want to be able to switch from gibson to fender and have that set up with out moving around cables.
would one of those true bypass loop masters help?

No, it doesn't sound like you are having to specially bypass anything, not that I see anyway yet...

Have you looked into blender loop boxes at all? Barge VB, Xotic X-Blender, Boss LS-2, etc.?

strke-fender · #8 08-20-2009, 06:57 PM

yes, i am looking to blend the clean and the fuzz, and i'm not happy with the "dry" feature on the BBM, i think it sounds much better blended using the two inputs.

i know i can just bypass the fuzz when using the gibson by just hitting the button. but, the effect out of the BBM is in channel one, and i want the gibson to run into channel one.

see?

no i haven't look into blender boxes. i will now. thanks for the suggestions.

bongomania · #9 08-20-2009, 07:09 PM

Yeah, I think (again, if I'm reading you right) you may not need the amp input channel switcher box. It sounds like what you need is:

1) a bass A/B selector to switch between Fender and Gibson
and
2) a blender loop for blending the fuzz with the clean signal, as well as bypassing it as needed. One of the blenders, the Xotic, even has the ability to foot-switch between 100% dry, 100% wet, and whatever % blended. Very versatile that way. It costs more than the others though. Check out previous threads on blenders for more info.

strke-fender · #10 08-20-2009, 07:25 PM

yes. i think that what i need.

thanks my friend.