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06-26-2008, 12:13 PM
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So I was thinking wouldn't it be cool to have a pedal that would split your signal in a way that one output would be all high end and the other would be all low end and for it to have a knob to determine at what frequency that split would happen. Im thinking it could be used as some sort of blend and could counter the effects of tonesucking pedals. This could currently be done with a signal splitter and two EQ's but wouldn't it be easier with one box. Let me know if this exists cause I would very much like to have one. |
06-26-2008, 12:17 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England | | | Paralooper pedal is a blend with high-pass and low-pass filters in it. There's also a stereo chorus pedal with crossover made by Peavey I think. |
06-26-2008, 12:20 PM
| | | | Ill have to check those out |
06-26-2008, 12:23 PM
| | | | Yea the paraloopers similar to what im talking about but its a bit diffrent. The advantage to splitting the signal would be to apply it only to ur top end not to mix it with a clean signal |
06-26-2008, 01:18 PM
| | | | I'm sure that I am missing something, but aren't you just describing a variable crossover? Are you just saying it would be cool to have one in a pedal formfactor? |
06-26-2008, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CosmoReverb  I'm sure that I am missing something, but aren't you just describing a variable crossover? Are you just saying it would be cool to have one in a pedal formfactor? | I understood what he was describing as a variable crossover too.
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06-26-2008, 01:59 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Seattle | | | Reminds me of my old trick:
Take the tuner out of my bass rig, and plug it into a guitar amp, using all my pedals with the guitar amp. Lets me use the guitar distortion too. I'd set my guitar amp bass knob to 0.
awesome effects tones , no loss of bass tone at all...
That worked great in a trio, These days I'm in larger bands, more appropriate with a pretty clean bass signal....
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06-26-2008, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CosmoReverb I'm sure that I am missing something, but aren't you just describing a variable crossover? Are you just saying it would be cool to have one in a pedal formfactor? | I didn't know there was a term for it. So there are pedals that do this? |
06-26-2008, 02:47 PM
| | | Well I'm not sure if there are any in pedal form. They are usually rack systems as there isn't typically a need to toggle them fullrange/split for the systems they are usually used for (PAs, DJ setups, etc.)
Like Dannybuoy said, Peavey used to make a chorus pedal with a built-in crossover, but I think they are hard to find these days. Rolls used to make a really tiny one that you could fit on a pedalboard, you'll have to look around to see if they still do so. (I'm sure Behringer probably has something similar as well)
edit: Here's the Rolls item I was thinking of. You won't be able to switch it to full-range from two-way and it might need a line level signal, but they should be cheap enough to be worth experimenting with.
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06-26-2008, 03:06 PM
| | | | thx that is exactly what i was thinking of |
06-26-2008, 03:29 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England | | | Think of the Paralooper as a crossover and mixer combined - the main output will contain the low frequency content and the fx send will contain the high frequency content. If you choose to plug that into a guitar amp instead of the Paralooper's fx return socket, then it's basically just a crossover. |
06-26-2008, 04:14 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canberra, Australia | | | WARNING: My engineers hat IS on my head as I write this!
Technically the Paralooper isn't a crossover. A crossover literally splits the signal into two (or more) distinct frequency bands - the high frequency element doesn't contain any low frequencies and vice versa. The Paralooper doesn't "split" the signal - it just mixes a low frequency portion of the 'dry' signal into the 'wet' signal from the fx loop. The signal going to the fx loop is still full range.
Having said that, it's bloody awesome and y'all should make one for yourselves!
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06-27-2008, 01:18 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England | | | I thought there was a high pass filter on the fx loop and a low pass on the clean signal so if you set both filters to the same frequency it's effectively a crossover? |
06-27-2008, 01:35 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canberra, Australia | | | Well, not on the schematic I've seen - it's just a low pass filter and the buffered fx return feeding a mixer.
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06-27-2008, 01:41 AM
| | | | You could just get an A/B or Boss LS3 etc and bi-amp it, then EQ the two amps to suit your taste/the room. I've seen guys do this before.
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06-27-2008, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by EADG mx You could just get an A/B or Boss LS3 etc and bi-amp it, then EQ the two amps to suit your taste/the room. I've seen guys do this before. | yea i mentioned that in the very beggining I was just curious if had been done with a single pedal |
06-27-2008, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by niftydog Well, not on the schematic I've seen - it's just a low pass filter and the buffered fx return feeding a mixer. | 
There you go. Switchable HP filter on the fx loop, so you should be able to use this a crossover in a bi-amp setup too, sending the lows to one amp and the highs to another. 
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06-27-2008, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JJBass30 yea i mentioned that in the very beggining I was just curious if had been done with a single pedal | That is a single pedal. 
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06-27-2008, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by EADG mx That is a single pedal. | Sry i misread what u said i though u mean split the signal and using something like 2 boss bass eq pedals. I missed the whole amp part my bad |
06-28-2008, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JJBass30 Sry i misread what u said i though u mean split the signal and using something like 2 boss bass eq pedals. I missed the whole amp part my bad | Oh, I see. Well you could do that, but I was thinking of using 2 combo amps with the built in EQ on each. Or you could use 2 stacks but that could be expensive and not necessary in most situations (depending on who you are of course).
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