A Dare (sorta).... [WARNINGZ: BEHRINGER CONTENTZ]

Nyarlathotep · #1 01-03-2009, 05:33 PM

Considering that I use the POG just for octave down stuff mostly, I wonder if anyone would be willing to test out the TWO octave down possibilities of the UO300..... by, well..... by behring*coughcough*er*cough*

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UO300.aspx

flakeh · #2 01-03-2009, 05:43 PM

I'm game. I could use some kinda fun effect like that.

Nyarlathotep · #3 01-03-2009, 05:44 PM

Hell its only 45 bucks in north america. If I ever come across one I will prolly pick it up LOL

flakeh · #4 01-03-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DanielTulip

Hell its only 45 bucks in north america. If I ever come across one I will prolly pick it up LOL

Just saw that too, My pedal board is looking kinda bland right now, i might pick up a couple behringer effects. I don't gig atm as I have no band, So this stuff will mainly just be for dinking around..

Hmm..Maybe...just maybe..

Jared Lash · #5 01-03-2009, 05:55 PM

Eh. I've done it with the Boss OC-2 and OC-3. It sounds just like you would think it would: muddy, indistinct, and just glitchy (and not in a good way) on any note lower than the A on the 7th fret of the D.

I can't imagine the Behringer tracks any better than the Boss, so you'll likely get the same result.

FYI, it's pretty useless on guitar even. Just mush.

fightthepower · #6 01-03-2009, 06:02 PM

I love the OC-2's single octave down with no dry signal, but I agree- The -2oct is pointless even in the upper register.

Darkstrike · #7 01-03-2009, 06:09 PM

Eh, I have the Boss OC-3, the second octave is always set as a distortion, the two octaves ain't so hot, better on guitar though.

shaolinwhat · #8 01-03-2009, 06:42 PM

i used to have an oc-3 and the 2nd octave down seemed pretty useless to me. i use a digitech BSW for an octaver now

Chronicle · #9 01-03-2009, 06:55 PM

You are now the cheap TB effect tester DT! Tell me when you find something good, there's got to be something! hehe

Nyarlathotep · #10 01-03-2009, 07:42 PM

LOLZ, actually if I every come across a BSW I'd prolly pick that up too

Darkstrike · #11 01-03-2009, 07:46 PM

The biggest problem is, think of playing two octaves lower than your current A, its below the human ears ability to hear.

Nyarlathotep · #12 01-03-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkstrike

The biggest problem is, think of playing two octaves lower than your current A, its below the human ears ability to hear.

A = 27.5 Hz

POG pumps out 1/2 that: 13.75

Correct me if im wrong, but most humans can't hear that. The only way forward from that is 2 octaves down. Or a whammy with a midi mouse. Dive bomb 3 octaves FTW

Or a custom octaver with up to 10 octaves down of OMGQUAKENESS

Darkstrike · #13 01-03-2009, 07:54 PM

You'd pretty much have a machine for producing gale force winds.

Wasted Bassist · #14 01-03-2009, 08:20 PM

I think you need a new setup. A shiny new 4 by 18 cab? Not big enough. A dirty 8 by 18 cab? I think the **** yes.

bassman03 · #15 01-03-2009, 09:23 PM

Wow... BLUE led... it MUST be good then

rcubed · #16 01-03-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DanielTulip

A = 27.5 Hz

POG pumps out 1/2 that: 13.75

Correct me if im wrong, but most humans can't hear that. The only way forward from that is 2 octaves down. Or a whammy with a midi mouse. Dive bomb 3 octaves FTW

Or a custom octaver with up to 10 octaves down of OMGQUAKENESS

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the fundamental frequency of A is 27.5Hz. But when you pluck a bass string it has many overtones/harmonics that are audible by us that occur at different frequencies. So 2 octaves down could be heard depending on the overtones/harmonics left in the audible range. But perhaps your amp and cabinet(s) can't go down to that range.

Jared Lash · #17 01-04-2009, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by rcubed

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the fundamental frequency of A is 27.5Hz. But when you pluck a bass string it has many overtones/harmonics that are audible by us that occur at different frequencies. So 2 octaves down could be heard depending on the overtones/harmonics left in the audible range. But perhaps your amp and cabinet(s) can't go down to that range.

Yes and no. A string has a lot of different vibrational modes (overtones/harmonics). I don't know about bass, but there are at least 60 present in the tone of an open guitar string in varying intensities. Most of them are quite small and not really all that audible on their own but each contributes a bit to the overall timbre of the instrument.

But more importantly, I believe an analog octaver creates it's tone pretty close to a sine wave. It isn't sophisticated enough to give a true representation of all the harmonics. So you're getting a relatively pure tone (not counting tracking issues and the limitations of the circuit itself). Which in the case of two octaves down means a sound that can't be heard except when playing way up on the bass neck.

rcubed · #18 01-04-2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBigO

Yes and no. A string has a lot of different vibrational modes (overtones/harmonics). I don't know about bass, but there are at least 60 present in the tone of an open guitar string in varying intensities, most of them quite small and not really all that audible on their own but all add to the overall timbre of the instrument.

But more importantly, I believe an analog octaver creates it's tone pretty close to a sine wave. It isn't sophisticated enough to give a true representation of all the harmonics. So you're getting a relatively pure tone (not counting tracking issues). Which in the case of two octaves down means a sound that can't be heard except when playing way up on the bass neck.

Right. I was completely forgetting about the issues involved with how the circuit would create the octaves below. I would think tracking would be very difficult that far down.

Nyarlathotep · #19 01-04-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rcubed

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the fundamental frequency of A is 27.5Hz. But when you pluck a bass string it has many overtones/harmonics that are audible by us that occur at different frequencies. So 2 octaves down could be heard depending on the overtones/harmonics left in the audible range. But perhaps your amp and cabinet(s) can't go down to that range.

Trust me, I can't hear my POGs octave down when I hit the A, but my speakers do try to produce it. It basically gives me more quakeyness, which is what I love.

In other news, I may be getting a BSW for a nice $$$ amount

More later

Mudfuzz · #20 01-04-2009, 12:43 PM

The best/usable 2 octaves down sound I have gotten is not by using a pedal with 2 octaves down [I have a OC3 and a Chili Dog] but by running a 1 octave down pedal into another. For what ever reason the EX multiplexer really works well for this and I have got this to work with a MXR m-88, DOD FX35 and the Chilidog set on 1 octave down. So I think you should either get a multiplexer or a second POG.