DD20 or Carbon Copy? Share your experience

[redangel]

Hi all, after chose the envelope filter, I am going to get the delay next time.
I am choosing between DD-20 and Carbon Copy.
I dig the DD-20 because it could do phase loop. But it seems Carbon Copy works better with bass, right?
So maybe I should get Carbon Copy with RC-2?

I have tried Line6 DL4, but I don't really like its sound and size...

I need your advise, Thanks

[Tusknia]

Interested to know aswell.

[perk45]

Hey guys, I've been using a Carbon Copy delay for the past month or so and I love it. The sound quality is excellent, the mod button became very effective for achieving a more psychedelic, ambient sound after adjusting the internal trimpots, and messing with the delay knob while you're playing can create awesome bwoop kind of sounds (spaceship sounds? it can sound like something going into slow motion or speeding up real quick basically, very cool). I've never tried the DD-20 but I don't have enough good things to say about my carbon copy.

[asherthemachine]

save time and space and get the carbon copy. dd20 is bogus

[B.C.]

Originally Posted by redangel

Hi all, after chose the envelope filter, I am going to get the delay next time.
I am choosing between DD-20 and Carbon Copy.
I dig the DD-20 because it could do phase loop. But it seems Carbon Copy works better with bass, right?
So maybe I should get Carbon Copy with RC-2?

I have tried Line6 DL4, but I don't really like its sound and size...

I need your advise, Thanks

Well, the big thing to think about here is what these two pedals aim to do. The DD-20 is a Digital pedal, capable of all sorts of delays, sound on sound, and lots of cool stuff.

With the carbon copy, you trade that versitility for a warmer more natural sounding delay.

Both sound great, it just depends on what you want. Some like the digital because the repeats sound the same while others like the decay with an analog delay.

I would sit down and listen to sound samples of these, even if they are for guitar, they'll give you a good idea what each will sound like.

Hope this helps

[dubsymmetry]

what the poster before me said.

dd-20 gives you tap tempo with subdivisions (whole, half, quarter, eight, dotted notes and so on) and 5 presets you can store - think about this, do think you need the delays to be in perfect time with your song tempo?

or do you prefer the sound of the analog delay, like more open delay times, want to play with oscillation without digital stepping and artifacts?

btw, I don´t think the dd-20 is bogus.
maybe it doesn´t have a special boutique mojo, but it has the japanese big corporation technicist flawlesness mojo (I don´t care where it was actually build btw).
that said, my other delay has the analog boutiqish special mojo.

[redangel]

Originally Posted by B.C.

Well, the big thing to think about here is what these two pedals aim to do. The DD-20 is a Digital pedal, capable of all sorts of delays, sound on sound, and lots of cool stuff.

With the carbon copy, you trade that versitility for a warmer more natural sounding delay.

Both sound great, it just depends on what you want. Some like the digital because the repeats sound the same while others like the decay with an analog delay.

I would sit down and listen to sound samples of these, even if they are for guitar, they'll give you a good idea what each will sound like.

Hope this helps

Yes, I know that they are totally different delay pedal. The reason why I want DD-20 because I need its phase loop. Its sound not bad but seems Carbon Copy sounds better. So if I purchase Carbon Copy, I need to take RC-2 for phase loop.
So I don't know which one should I go for.

[JanusZarate]

It narrows down to what you want. Both are equally good on bass, but for very different reasons.

Some people don't like analog delays on bass because they can get really muddy really quick... and if your tone is already dark, an analog delay could make things messy.

On the other hand, some people don't like digital delays on bass because they're too bright and don't decay or feed back like analog delays. But there are digital delays which can behave and sound like analog delays, and vice-versa.

In the case of the above two (DD-20 and Carbon Copy), they're signature examples of the classic analog/digital delay sounds. The DD-20, of course, has a host of extra features. You need to ask yourself: do I need those features, and do I prefer the clearer, more precise repeats of a Boss digital delay? Or do I want a classic analog delay sound with optional modulation?

IMO, your current tone factors heavily into this. Most of the clips you'll find online are with guitar, which don't reveal as much about how they sound on bass.

[dubsymmetry]

Originally Posted by redangel

The reason why I want DD-20 because I need its phase loop.

now we´re getting closer. the looping (as in phrase loop) capabilities are limited: as soon as you stop the loop it´s gone. you can´t recall it.
a plus is that it´s 23 sec. overdubs are possible but no undo or any pitching, reverse and so on. you have to press the pedal down for as long as you want to overdub - some like this, some don´t.
so it´s nice to have this for the occasional looping, but I wouldn´t recommend it if you want to do a lot of looping.

[redangel]

Originally Posted by dubsymmetry

now we´re getting closer. the looping (as in phrase loop) capabilities are limited: as soon as you stop the loop it´s gone. you can´t recall it.
a plus is that it´s 23 sec. overdubs are possible but no undo or any pitching, reverse and so on. you have to press the pedal down for as long as you want to overdub - some like this, some don´t.
so it´s nice to have this for the occasional looping, but I wouldn´t recommend it if you want to do a lot of looping.

That mean you recommend Carbon Copy maybe with RC-2 if I want to do phase loop?

[redangel]

Originally Posted by MysticBoo

It narrows down to what you want. Both are equally good on bass, but for very different reasons.

Some people don't like analog delays on bass because they can get really muddy really quick... and if your tone is already dark, an analog delay could make things messy.

On the other hand, some people don't like digital delays on bass because they're too bright and don't decay or feed back like analog delays. But there are digital delays which can behave and sound like analog delays, and vice-versa.

In the case of the above two (DD-20 and Carbon Copy), they're signature examples of the classic analog/digital delay sounds. The DD-20, of course, has a host of extra features. You need to ask yourself: do I need those features, and do I prefer the clearer, more precise repeats of a Boss digital delay? Or do I want a classic analog delay sound with optional modulation?

IMO, your current tone factors heavily into this. Most of the clips you'll find online are with guitar, which don't reveal as much about how they sound on bass.

Oops, my tone is quite dark. The only reason that I like DD-20 because of its phase loop only. The sound is good too.
For Carbon Copy, I like its sound, and SIZE (the important issue)

[B.C.]

Originally Posted by redangel

Oops, my tone is quite dark. The only reason that I like DD-20 because of its phase loop only. The sound is good too.
For Carbon Copy, I like its sound, and SIZE (the important issue)

For what you want, I think the Carbon Copy plus Boss Looper would be best. I'd save up for one of the RC-20 series though. Again, most places have a return policy, so the CC might be a good thing to try and see if it fits you tone.

[redangel]

Originally Posted by B.C.

For what you want, I think the Carbon Copy plus Boss Looper would be best. I'd save up for one of the RC-20 series though. Again, most places have a return policy, so the CC might be a good thing to try and see if it fits you tone.

Yeah, I think I should not go for DD-20 but I just search the forum about the delay pedal. There is a Pharaoh Amp Echo Jr which similar to Carbon Copy. The Echo Jr is a Digital Delay which works really warm and analog like delay. I am confused again...

Could someone help me?

[JoshC]

I like my DD-20. I don't think I could use a delay that didn't have tap tempo. The analog modes sound fine to me, I am sure the real deal sounds better but for what I need it's fine. The extra modes are fun to play with. I don't often use delay times over 300ms but it's nice to have the option. The looper is decent enough. I personally think that it would be worth while to own both a digital and analog delay because they are so different. I prefer the DD-20 to my DD-5 that I used to have. The extra features were worth the extra space for me. It's all about where you are going with your sound. For what it's worth I seem to use mainly the analog mode.

[JanusZarate]

Originally Posted by redangel

Oops, my tone is quite dark. The only reason that I like DD-20 because of its phase loop only. The sound is good too.
For Carbon Copy, I like its sound, and SIZE (the important issue)

If size is the issue, don't count out the Boss DD-3 and DD-6.

Plus, there's the new Boss DD-7, which has an emulated analog delay mode, modulated delay, and other cool features in the same compact size chassis. Price-wise, it compares to the Carbon Copy. I've been eyeing one for a while, to test out against my Carbon Copy...

[afroman]

I've had my CC for about 2 months. I think it sounds absolutely wonderful. Very warm and clear and no mud whatsoever. You can tell it's an analog delay, soundwise I think it gets the edge over the DD20.

The Boss on the other hand has a lot of features, tap tempo, looper, presets, etc. It is more expensive also.

Bottom line, do you need the extra features or do you want a simple good sounding delay?

With that said, I just bought one of those new Hardwire Delay/Looper pedals. I found that I'd like to have a delay with tap tempo but without it being bulky or big as the SMM or de DD20. If it sounds good, I might sell my CC.

Either way you choose you'll have a great delay pedal.
Both of those pedals are complete opposites, one is simple and good the other versatile.

You decide...

[mattq]

i really dig my carbon copy, and the way i get around the potential muddiness is by pressing the mod button. as the repeats decay it loses those really low frequencies and it sounds like this awesome cathedral echo

[B.C.]

Originally Posted by MysticBoo

If size is the issue, don't count out the Boss DD-3 and DD-6.

Plus, there's the new Boss DD-7, which has an emulated analog delay mode, modulated delay, and other cool features in the same compact size chassis. Price-wise, it compares to the Carbon Copy. I've been eyeing one for a while, to test out against my Carbon Copy...

+1, I have the DD-5 that I love. It works well on bass and can do the whole analog oscillation thing.

[MacheteSteve]

CARBON COPY aint any other way

[redangel]

Thanks guys, I am not considering DD-20 anymore.
But now, how about Carbon Copy vs. Pharaoh Amp Echo Jr?