Deep Dub sound (FX-25 vs. Mole?)

Doolz · #1 06-28-2009, 12:54 AM

hey, i have a 1st gen fx-25 that i use for that big dub sound with the sens at full left, but i need to use a true bypass looper.

what i was wondering is would the new EHX Mole do a) a better job or b) the same thing in a smaller (single pedal) package?

**grygrx** · #2 06-28-2009, 06:46 AM

The odds of you getting too many direct compares are pretty slim.

The mole is cheap, and new. You should snag one and share with us!

Doolz · #3 06-28-2009, 07:25 AM

im hoping rccollins will chime in, im trying to save money here hahaha

**grygrx** · #4 06-28-2009, 07:25 AM

RCCollins · #5 06-28-2009, 07:54 AM

Checking in! the mole won't "roll off" your high end, per se, so you can't expect the kind of swells you got with the FX25. It WILL overwhelm your highs with low-end thunder, though.

I feel your pain about the bypass on the FX25. Also, as a band pass filter it's really only useful on bass at a couple different settings. Ever tied an EBS BassIQ? it's my choice of an LPF for dubby sounds

René_Julien · #6 06-28-2009, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RCCollins

Ever tied an EBS BassIQ? it's my choice of an LPF for dubby sounds

Thanks for that suggestion Matthew.

I was also looking for a simple pedal for dub sounds.
I'll look into it.

RCCollins · #7 06-28-2009, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by C'thulhu

Thanks for that suggestion Matthew.

I was also looking for a simple pedal for dub sounds.
I'll look into it.

Always happy to help!

as a lowpass filter, the BassIQ definitely works better for dub type envelope effects than most other filters. I'd advise turning the "blend" trimpot down to nil, "up" (but not hi-q) mode, lowish sensitivity (but not necessarily zero) and highish (circa high noon) attack, at least as a starting point.

keep in mind that this is just ONE of several functions at which the BassIQ slays the competition

René_Julien · #8 06-28-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RCCollins

Always happy to help!

as a lowpass filter, the BassIQ definitely works better for dub type envelope effects than most other filters. I'd advise turning the "blend" trimpot down to nil, "up" (but not hi-q) mode, lowish sensitivity (but not necessarily zero) and highish (circa high noon) attack, at least as a starting point.

keep in mind that this is just ONE of several functions at which the BassIQ slays the competition

Thanks man, I was just about to ask this.
I have no understanding of envellope filters. I never used them.

I'm going to try this out next time I am in the store.

Ah, and I thought I had no pedal gas after I completed my board.

RCCollins · #9 06-28-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by C'thulhu

Ah, and I thought I had no pedal gas after I completed my board.

i didn't believe that for a second!

you may find that the "hi-q" mode is too funky for your needs, but i bet the "up" setting will bring a smile to your face. take your time with envelope filters, they each take a little getting used to. When you try the BassIQ, start with the attack very low and sensitivity around noon, and play from there.

René_Julien · #10 06-28-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RCCollins

i didn't believe that for a second!

you may find that the "hi-q" mode is too funky for your needs, but i bet the "up" setting will bring a smile to your face. take your time with envelope filters, they each take a little getting used to. When you try the BassIQ, start with the attack very low and sensitivity around noon, and play from there.

Roger.

Wouldn't be the first time I bought a pedal on your recommendation.

RCCollins · #11 06-28-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by C'thulhu

Roger.

Wouldn't be the first time I bought a pedal on your recommendation.

oh i know. if i didn't have a bassIQ already i'd be itching to buy it off you in a week!

I honestly find that with just 2 knobs, it is more practical and NEARLY as versatile as many "fancier" filter pedals, not all of which are necessarily tailored for bass specifically.

Mudfuzz · #12 06-28-2009, 09:23 AM

I'm going to say mole man. I have a FX25 and a 70's Hogs foot [same as the mole] and the EHX is more natural sounding and doesn't have that "look mom I'm use FX" kind of sound, I find the best dub sound I get is a light OD [devi ever KP] into the hogsfoot, so thick and yet natural sounding. I really feel you almost need a little dirt mixed in to get it right [even with the FX25] to nail the sound, be it a OD, light fuzz or a over pushed comp. Granted I'm going for the more old school sounds then the newer stuff which I think just getting a EQ pedal would work great for.

RCCollins · #13 06-28-2009, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudfuzz

I'm going to say mole man. I have a FX25 and a 70's Hogs foot [same as the mole] and the EHX is more natural sounding and doesn't have that "look mom I'm use FX" kind of sound, I find the best dub sound I get is a light OD [devi ever KP] into the hogsfoot, so thick and yet natural sounding. I really feel you almost need a little dirt mixed in to get it right [even with the FX25] to nail the sound, be it a OD, light fuzz or a over pushed comp. Granted I'm going for the more old school sounds then the newer stuff which I think just getting a EQ pedal would work great for.

the mole DOES work great for this - if you use a tube amp

i dont like pedal grit in my dub but let's face it, there is litlle more ambiguous than the concept of "dub bass tone" - that can mean about 50 different things

Mudfuzz · #14 06-28-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RCCollins

the mole DOES work great for this - if you use a tube amp

For the sound I use it for a tube amp shouldn't be needed as I usually don't like to push my amps and set them supper clean [although please keep in might all I have are tube amps. Also I use the dirt before the filter which is a totally different sound then having the filter push something into breakup

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Originally Posted by RCCollins

i dont like pedal grit in my dub but let's face it, there is litlle more ambiguous than the concept of "dub bass tone" - that can mean about 50 different things

Very true.

Drifta · #15 06-28-2009, 09:43 AM

I perfer 100% clean bass tone for real DUB. the DUB sound comes from the producers magic fingers

Mudfuzz · #16 06-28-2009, 09:50 AM

Are you talking live or on a recording: live you have amps with EQs [that are filters] and SUBs [sometimes] and the room resonance, Studio again you have mixer channel EQs [which are filters as well] and what ever the engineer does to it, so clean is always relative

Bootzilla · #17 06-28-2009, 10:13 AM

If you want clean you could just roll back the tone knob on your bass and boost the bass on your amp eq (you can also cut and boost the mids a bit to see how that works). If you have no tone controll cut the treble on your amp (or bass) eq and cut a bit of mids (preferably high mids if your eq has them).

If you still have trouble just buy the mole and if it doesn't work out you can always sell it with little loss or return it.

Drifta · #18 06-28-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudfuzz

Are you talking live or on a recording: live you have amps with EQs [that are filters] and SUBs [sometimes] and the room resonance, Studio again you have mixer channel EQs [which are filters as well] and what ever the engineer does to it, so clean is always relative

fingers > Bass > cord > amp > cab thats my signal chain for all dub situations,

the word dub gets tossed around too much imo. yeah it's a loose term, but reggae with effects =/= dub .

Mudfuzz · #19 06-28-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Drifta

fingers > Bass > cord > amp > cab thats my signal chain for all dub situations,

the word dub gets tossed around too much imo. yeah it's a loose term, but reggae with effects =/= dub .

My point being= Does your bass have a tone control or eq? does your amp? Do you therefor set your amp flat? Do you know what true flat is on your amps tonestack? Again relative.

RCCollins · #20 06-28-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Drifta

fingers > Bass > cord > amp > cab thats my signal chain for all dub situations,

the word dub gets tossed around too much imo. yeah it's a loose term, but reggae with effects =/= dub .

at this point i think MORE people mean something far more electronic than king tubby than the other way around