DI assistance

wazzel · #1 10-22-2008, 07:24 AM

Before you jump me I have searched

I am looking for a nice I for my church gig. We are getting a new church with a nice new sound system and there is a good possibility the monitoring system will be enought that I do not have to tote my amp to and from every week if I get a good preamp/DI box for my board. The new church will open on 16-Nov and I would like to be ready.

The DI box will need to be able to push a hundred feet or so from where I will be playing to the board.

Currently I use a GB shuttle 6.0-12 combo with no PA assistance.

I have read up on the

Sans Amp bass driver
Radial DJ tone bone
agular tone hammer
MXR M-80

I would like to keep a warm tubish tone.

casio · #2 10-22-2008, 07:28 AM

well, I've been using the M-80i to pretty much absolute satisfaction and my soundman was quite happy with it also,until I just started using the D.I. from my amp for him and he became even happier!=)
but I am in the market for a new D.I. and have tried the tonebone and am quite thrilled, although I do plan on getting the tone hammer ultimately it seems, plainly because I'm a big aguilar fan yet happen to own none of their line!

not much help, but the point was you wont go wrong with the MXR (or any of these for that matter), so you just have to try them yourself!

Bardley · #3 10-22-2008, 07:30 AM

Any DI will push the 100 ft distance, so don't worry about that. I like your choices there but if you want warm ant tubey I would try a Tech 21 VT bass pedal into a standard DI. I just recently got one and it is great. I think it would get you there and not be that pricey. If you run it into any quality DI box after that it should be fine.

dannybuoy · #4 10-22-2008, 07:31 AM

Add EBS Microbass to the list too! There's also the option of using a VT Bass with a separate DI box like a Radial ProDI / JDI.

I know I haven't helped you here, but just given you more options - he he!

bongomania · #5 10-22-2008, 08:31 AM

In your position I would get a VT Bass and a Radial JDI. The VT gets the raves as one of the better tube amp emulators, and the JDI is a fantastic-sounding and bombproof DI. The only drawback of the JDI is that sometimes a little extra gain is needed, which would be provided by the VT.

iamthebassman · #6 10-22-2008, 08:51 AM

I use the SansAmp BDDI at church, XLR to the board and a line to my amp. Works great with zero complaints from the board op.
My settings:
Level:4
Blend:5
Treble:5
Bass:7
Drive:6
Prescence:6

AlembicPlayer · #7 10-22-2008, 08:55 AM

DI needs to push 100 feet?
please explain.
not sure what is meant by this..
Is there a snake out to the mixer?

wazzel · #8 10-22-2008, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamthebassman

I use the SansAmp BDDI at church, XLR to the board and a line to my amp. Works great with zero complaints from the board op.
My settings:
Level:4
Blend:5
Treble:5
Bass:7
Drive:6
Prescence:6

If I am going to use my amp for stage monitoring I will use the built in DI. I hear the shuttle has a nice DI.

wazzel · #9 10-22-2008, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlembicPlayer

DI needs to push 100 feet?
please explain.
not sure what is meant by this..
Is there a snake out to the mixer?

It means there is going to be at least 100ft of mic line betwen my DI and the board. The "snake" is in the form of floor jacks at three locations. Regardless if you have a snake or just one mic line you still have the same amout of line losses to overcome.

katri · #10 10-22-2008, 09:26 AM

Ive been using the PBDDI for around about 2 years now and I do love it, but the lack of mid control and mid cut when the other EQ is boosted has been a bit of an annoyance for a while, as a DI I have never had any issues with it even pushing cables in exess of 120ft , so now I have a tone hammer on the way which I can't wait to play with, I would say if you are gonna go with the sansamp get the single channel with the mid control unless you really need 3 channels (another reason for the TH, I only really need 2 channels clean and added grit so I hope the TH will be a better solution for me and hope my small insight helps
Dan

dannybuoy · #11 10-22-2008, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bongomania

In your position I would get a VT Bass and a Radial JDI. The VT gets the raves as one of the better tube amp emulators, and the JDI is a fantastic-sounding and bombproof DI. The only drawback of the JDI is that sometimes a little extra gain is needed, which would be provided by the VT.

I played this particular combination through a PA last night. The house amp, an Ampeg SVT Pro, had a fault, so everyone else had to use a crappy active DI provided by the soundman that clipped heavy notes meaning that everyone had to turn their bass volume down... then I came on with my VT Bass / JDI combination and had the best bass sound of the night!

AndyLES · #12 10-22-2008, 10:50 AM

You won't have any problems going 100+ feet with a low-impedance balanced line. Maybe 1000+ feet, but not 100.

wazzel · #13 10-22-2008, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannybuoy

I played this particular combination through a PA last night. The house amp, an Ampeg SVT Pro, had a fault, so everyone else had to use a crappy active DI provided by the soundman that clipped heavy notes meaning that everyone had to turn their bass volume down... then I came on with my VT Bass / JDI combination and had the best bass sound of the night!

That combo is about $350 total ($150 for the VT and $200 for the JDI) Does anyone know of better prices?

ENMusic · #14 10-22-2008, 12:13 PM

If you have about $700 to spare, the REDDI is the absolute *BEST* bet. It's based on a vintage tube amp and actually has tubes right in the DI. Warmest, cleanest sound you'll ever get.

wazzel · #15 10-22-2008, 12:24 PM

$700 is more than I can spend at this point in time. The $350 will be a little bit of a stretch. I'm still fixing my house from Ike.

markjazzbassist · #16 10-22-2008, 12:43 PM

summit td-100
a-designs REDDI
groove tubes "the brick" DI

whitedk57 · #17 10-22-2008, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamthebassman

I use the SansAmp BDDI at church, XLR to the board and a line to my amp. Works great with zero complaints from the board op.
My settings:
Level:4
Blend:5
Treble:5
Bass:7
Drive:6
Prescence:6

I will have to try these settings to see how it sounds.

Bardley · #18 10-22-2008, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazzel

That combo is about $350 total ($150 for the VT and $200 for the JDI) Does anyone know of better prices?

Get the VT bass and use a different DI. The JDIs are nice but not necessary for a great bass tone. I'm not knocking the JDI. It's just that I've had good results using quality passive DIs. (even my whirlwind IMP2 at $40) I would even recommend getting the VT Bass and using any DI you could get. (used works too)

Does your church not have any existing DIs you could use?
I know how tight the money can be in ministry. I've been a sound tech at church for many years.

bongomania · #19 10-22-2008, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazzel

That combo is about $350 total ($150 for the VT and $200 for the JDI) Does anyone know of better prices?

Buy the JDI used, they show up for good prices fairly regularly in the TB classifieds, and a few more VT's are liable to show up there after the glow has faded for some purchasers. And +1 to Bardley, if you're on a budget then even a Whirlwind or similar DI will work with the VT. I just recommended the JDI because it's a primo option.

dannybuoy · #20 10-22-2008, 02:09 PM

Look at the DHA VT1-EQ-Drive. Real tube tone, DI and headphone outputs, and an EQ with parametric mids.