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Old 06-07-2008, 10:00 AM
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Digitech BP8 for general Tool Bass Tone

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One of the bands I play with practices through a mixer to a PA. I recently revived my old BP8 which I havent used since I bought it back in 99'. We recently started playing a couple Tool songs and I cant manage to get a sound out the BP8 which emulates that clangy crunchy Tool sound. If anyone has tried this, what compression & preamp settings would best be suited for this? Should I even use the EQ seeing that my bass has active electronics? I understand the Tool Bass sound has alot of midrange. Im not trying to get the perfect tone, just close enough with what Ive got.
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:40 AM
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:09 AM
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a Digitech BP8 should not be used for any sort of general tone at all.
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a Digitech BP8 should not be used for any sort of general tone at all.
I find the preamp section of the bp8, at the very least, decent for my application. This is what I am using. I was just hoping someone with a bp8 had tried something similar and had suggestions..
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Old 06-07-2008, 12:30 PM
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You won't get the Tool tone with a Digitech pedal..


modeling pedal that is.
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Old 06-07-2008, 01:11 PM
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Most people seem to just be telling you to not even try. Not sure I like that. I'll try to help. I don't have a BP-8, so I don't know the preamp models it has. Use a model that is somewhat clean and bright. Boost the mids as much as you can, and don't use a lot of compression.
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Most people seem to just be telling you to not even try. Not sure I like that. I'll try to help. I don't have a BP-8, so I don't know the preamp models it has. Use a model that is somewhat clean and bright. Boost the mids as much as you can, and don't use a lot of compression.
My bass's Volume is around the middle to 3/4, the Blend knob is closer to the bridge pu's, the high is about @ 8/10's full, and low is full. The BP8's input is a little over 1/3 and the output is @ about 2/3.

Here is what I did w/ the BP8, using your suggestion, also kind of breaking down the sections from left to right.

Compressor Parameters:
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Type: Four types are available. Type 1 is closest to normal compressor operation with all frequencies being
compressed. Types 2-4 send more high frequencies around the compressor.
Here I chose '2'

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Attack: Determines the attack time of the compression action. 1 is the fastest, 4 the slowest. Generally fast
attack times are useful with aggressive playing, slower times with more sustained notes. Too fast an
attack time can cause slight distortion on long sustained tails of notes so experiment to get the right
setting for your application
I Left this paremeter to the default value for Type '2' which is a value of 3 (options are 1-4)
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Threshold: Determines the signal strength which activates the compressor. This control is calibrated in dB below
full output. As the threshold becomes more negative, the lower the signal strength needs to be in order
for it to be compressed. The SIGNAL/COMP light turns yellow when your signal is higher than the
compression threshold (which means your signal is being compressed).
I also left this value at the default for this 'type', which is -20 (options are 0 - -62)
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Ratio: Determines the amount of compression after you exceed the threshold. For instance a ratio of 2.5-1
means that for every 2.5 dB your signal exceeds the threshold, your output will only increase 1 dB.
Ratios are as follows: 1.5:1 through 25:1.
This was also left to the default for this 'type', which is 6.0-1 (Options are 1.5-1-25-1)
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Gain: This parameter controls the overall amount of output gain in the Compressor effect. Range is from 0-62.
Use this parameter to balance the levels between Compressor on and Compressor off.
Taking your suggestion not to use a lot of compression, I modified the gain parameter to 16.

Preamp Parameters:
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Type: Selects the Preamp type used. CLn1=Warm Tube, CLn2=Warm Bright Tube, CLn3=Punchy,
CLn4=Punchy Bright, CLn5=Classic Tube, CLn6=Classic Bright, CLn7=Backbeat,
CLn8=High Definition, CLn9=Full Five String, CLn0=Modern Five String. The BP8 also has
cutting edge distortion preamp settings for some of today’s modern rock bass sounds. HSuS=Dark
Distortion, SAt=Saturated Tube Distortion, Od=Overdrive Distortion.
Here I found 'CLn2=Warm Bright Tube' sounded best.
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Gain: Controls the amount of distortion produced by the BP-8 Valve. High settings produce greater gain and
drive, while low settings offer better dynamic control of tone. Ranges from 1-100.
Here I chose 37.
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On Level: Sets the output level while the Preamp is ON. Ranges from 0-100.
I set this to 83
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Bypass Level: Sets the output level while the Preamp is Bypassed. Ranges from 0-100.
I set this to 76

This is how the Equalizer breaks down: (w/ my selections in Red)

Parameters Displayed Values
Low Shelf 31...500 315
Low Level -15...0...15 15
Mid 1 Freq 80...2000 2000
Mid 1 Level -15...0...15 15
Mid 2 Freq 250...4000 4000
Mid 2 Level Mid 2 Level 15
High Shelf 1000-16000 8640
High Level -15...0...15 9

It sounds a lot closer than I had it to begin with. Sounds way better than it did running my bass through a boss bass eq through a crate bp-8 practice amps line out to our PA.
If you see any fine tuning I can do let me know.
Thank you for the suggestions!

If you want to see the manual. ftp://ftp.digitech.com/pub/PDFs/Disc.../BP8Manual.pdf
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This is how the Equalizer breaks down: (w/ my selections in Red)
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Parameters Displayed Values
Low Shelf 31...500 315
Low Level -15...0...15 15
Mid 1 Freq 80...2000 2000
Mid 1 Level -15...0...15 15
Mid 2 Freq 250...4000 4000
Mid 2 Level Mid 2 Level 15
High Shelf 1000-16000 8640
High Level -15...0...15 9

It sounds a lot closer than I had it to begin with. Sounds way better than it did running my bass through a boss bass eq through a crate bp-8 practice amps line out to our PA.
If you see any fine tuning I can do let me know.
Thank you for the suggestions!
The only additional suggestion I have here is to take one of the mid selectors, and choose a frequency around 800 Hz, and set that to 15. 4000 is pretty high, I wouldn't even really consider that mids, that's in treble territory for me.
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Old 06-07-2008, 05:43 PM
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I always assumed that 'clangy' tone is from the GK amp, especially when compared to other GK users. Try looking for his settings on his amp maybe, then comparing them to the GK frequency dial?
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