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08-06-2009, 06:34 AM
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Hey there, I'm sure my vagueness will annoy a few of you,but...I'm looking for some new toys...
Are there any effects that either in them selves add or really bring out Dissonance between note choices. I'm not looking for pure noise, more that worble of a 2nd/7th interval.Really nything that sounds dis-harmonious I'm not trying to copy any bands sound so as to why I havn't given specific examples. Essently Ugly worbally is what I'm after. Specific pedals would be prefered as far as recommendations go 
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08-06-2009, 06:46 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds, UK | | | You're looking at something like the de-tune feature on the bass whammy, I guess.
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08-06-2009, 06:47 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wakefield, UK | | | I'd recommend some sort of frequency modulator. The moog ring mod is the only one that immediately springs to mind.
You could try something that self oscillates. Something like the Trogotronic 655, it's got a tunable drone and is very tweakable.
The other idea I've got is a blending bypass looper. You could blend an oscillator with your clean signal. In my opinion, I think an oscillator that actually processes your signal would be better for you.
If you just want simple dissonance, you could try some sort of chorus. I can't suggest anything on this front really, but I'm guessing someone else will.
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08-06-2009, 06:54 AM
| | | | Thank you so far guys-I'm looking into a few of those pedals now. My apologies for being beaten with the ****** stick on that first post too. It hurt to reread it- and I wrote it! |
08-06-2009, 06:59 AM
|  | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | You could use a harmoniser to do this - but probably not a pedal, but rather a rack-mount unit, that would allow you to shift pitch to very close intervals! That'll sound discordant, especially if you turn up the feedback control!! 
In fact I remember spending a lot of time with a harmoniser, trying to avoid dissonant intervals and get something useful!!
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08-06-2009, 07:01 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wakefield, UK | | Quote:
Originally Posted by paradigm_shift Thank you so far guys-I'm looking into a few of those pedals now. My apologies for being beaten with the ****** stick on that first post too. It hurt to reread it- and I wrote it! | Don't worry about it  . By the way, there's a cool clip of the 655 on the Trogotronic website. You should check it out. I'm not entirely sure what you're looking for to be honest.
I'm not sure a harmoniser will do the the job. Harmoniser units that pitch shift by cents are pretty hard to come by and fairly expensive. How much are you wanting to spend?
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08-06-2009, 07:05 AM
| | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | I paid about £200 for a used rack-mount harmoniser and it was great fun on keyboards and guitar - for getting some weird chords, that I could never have played myself!!
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08-06-2009, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield I paid about £200 for a used rack-mount harmoniser and it was great fun on keyboards and guitar - for getting some weird chords, that I could never have played myself!! | Can you remember what model it was? I've got some money set aside for a couple of new rack synths (as if I need more  ) and I fancy a rackmount harmoniser .
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08-06-2009, 07:21 AM
| | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | | I think it was a Roland - I can see it in my mind, but I sold it on, when I started to concentrate on playing Jazz rather than home recording with keyboards/guitar etc.
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08-06-2009, 07:55 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Madison, WI | | | +1 to harmonizers and ring mods. Either would get you what you're looking for, but in very different ways with very different sounds.
Either you'd want a dumb harmonizer (a Boss PS-5 should do) or a smart/tracking ring mod like the Pigtronix Mothership. You may also be able to get what you want by playing simply chords (or a note with a harmonic) on a VCO-less ring mod like a green ringer clone. |
08-06-2009, 07:58 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Frederick, Maryland | | | I've gotten some cool dissonance with either my EHX Holy Stain or Boss PS-5 with an expression pedal.
While i'm not a fan of it, the Whammy is also worth checking out i suppose.
Also +1 for a ring mod. I toy arround with my room mate's EHX Frequency Analyzer and it's made some awesome aweful sounds!
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08-06-2009, 08:58 AM
|  | Master of Reality | | Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Diego, CA | | | Octaves pedals with trouble tracking multiple notes can also produce a "wobbling" sound, to my ears, though that may not be what you're looking for.
My Psilocybe does a nearly vibrato-esque shifting of notes that is probably closer to what you're looking for from your description.
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08-06-2009, 09:07 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Rhode Island, USA | | | For ring mods, if you don't want to shell out for the Moog, check out the Copilot Android and the EHX Frequency Analyzer
The Boss PS-5 in pitch shift mode will do 1, 2, 5 and 7 steps up or down, and you can blend in your dry signal. In harmonist mode, it does 3rds, 4ths, 5ths and 6ths.
Also, the Digitech Whammy will do harmony modes for 2nds, Maj and minor 3rds, 4ths, 5ths, 6ths and 7ths.
Any of those should get you the dissonance you're looking for |
08-06-2009, 11:21 AM
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08-06-2009, 11:27 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wakefield, UK | | | Haha a phaser aint gona do what he's looking for...
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08-06-2009, 01:37 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Antelope CA | | | Digitech Whammy is what you need.
The 5th/7th mode is fun to put the expression pedal somewhere inbetween and get some real gross dissonance. |
08-06-2009, 01:56 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wakefield, UK | | Ok, I asked my Dad about dissonance. He's a bit of a technological music nerd . Part of his degree is in architectural acoustics.
Anyway, apparently...the human ear discerns dissonance not only by a discordant harmony but by repetition. When we hear the repeated discord, we convince ourselves that the sound is "incorrect". Alot of new-age composers have used this technique in modern orchestral scores.
I have no idea whether that is true, he's my Dad so I trust him . But, going on that information, I'd recommend something that modulates around a drone note. Perhaps an intelligent frequency modulator or something that actually self oscillates a discordant drone. Either this, or a harmonizer that you can tune in cents (which I'm now GASing for ).
Perhaps the whammy's interval shifts are enough to get the sound you're after.
However, if you do decide to explore ring modulators; I'd suggest finding one where the key frequency can be controlled by either CV or an expression pedal (or even MIDI  , now that would be awesome  ). There aren't any pedals that immediately spring to mind but I'm sure I've heard people talking about one that does this  .
EDIT: It's the Moog MF-102 Ring Mod
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08-06-2009, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by gnasher1993 However, if you do decide to explore ring modulators; I'd suggest finding one where the key frequency can be controlled by either CV or an expression pedal (or even MIDI , now that would be awesome ). There aren't any pedals that immediately spring to mind but I'm sure I've heard people talking about one that does this .
EDIT: It's the Moog MF-102 Ring Mod | You can also get the Copilot Android with an exp input |
08-06-2009, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bigchiefbc You can also get the Copilot Android with an exp input | Have you got a link to that? GAS...
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08-06-2009, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gnasher1993 Have you got a link to that? GAS... | http://www.analoguehaven.com/copilotfx/android/
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