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DownFromTheSky 12-21-2012 10:58 PM

distortion that only effects half the signal?
 
Hi this is my first post. I was wondering if their was a distortion/overdrive pedal that only effected half the signal you send into it. let me explain, is their a way to break it into two paths and one that is above say, 300hz gets distorted, and one below 300hz doesn't. Then they get put back together and you have no bottom end loss at all? it seems like every distortion pedal has some amount of low end loss but if you could do it this way you wouldn't?

jcburn 12-21-2012 11:07 PM

Something with a wet/dry blend and some sort of low/high pass filter. The Ashdown James Lomenzo Hyperdrive should do this.

McFinkle 12-21-2012 11:14 PM

Check out the VFE Triumvirate. It does just what you're mentioning and sounds awesome!

fivestringgecko 12-21-2012 11:14 PM

Welcome to Talkbass!

I'm not that familiar with distortions, but I've tried a lot of overdrives and the only one I can think of that comes close would be the Empress Multidrive. (?) Other than that one, I think your best bet might be to find an overdrive with a blend control, or an on-board EQ to retain (or even boost) the lows.

Check out a Catalinbread SFT or Tubeworks BlueTube (two of my favorites), Doug's Darkglass B3K is the current hotness (and for a good reason!), a VT Bass, OLC Flipster, Hartke VXL Bass Attack (don't laugh, it's seriously good... permanently in my home rig) or one of the other "preamp" type dirt pedals... Rusty Box, Sansamp BDDI, even a Tone Hammer.

I've owned all of these at one point and they're all great pedals, no problems with low end at all. The VXL can get HUGE... clip here if you're interested.

5sg.

DownFromTheSky 12-21-2012 11:15 PM

All right thanks, ill have a look at that. Seems like more of these type of pedals should be made

fivestringgecko 12-21-2012 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McFinkle (Post 13611832)
Check out the VFE Triumvirate. It does just what you're mentioning and sounds awesome!

Interesting! Never even heard of that one! Sounds like a winner for your requirements, Down!

5sg.

DownFromTheSky 12-21-2012 11:19 PM

first time I had heard of that one to, thanks for telling me about that one.

DownFromTheSky 12-21-2012 11:21 PM

And fivestringgecko, Ive looked at the Darkglass B3K and seriously want one thanks for reminding me haha

wmheilma 12-21-2012 11:22 PM

The old SGX Nightbass preamp has built-in effects crossover you can use to do different things to the highs and lows. You could get one for next to nothing these days.

Vlad5 12-21-2012 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcburn (Post 13611820)
Something with a wet/dry blend and some sort of low/high pass filter. The Ashdown James Lomenzo Hyperdrive should do this.

+1... I had one and it was perfect for what your talking about, and inexpensive! (but large)

also...

FEA Dual Band Distortion
Iron Ether QF2

megafiddle 12-21-2012 11:27 PM

You may not need something that separates high and low frequencies. Just something
that gives you a mix of dry and distorted signal.

You can limit the signal going in so it only has mainly low frequencies. You can do this
with pickup selection, tone controls, playing technique, etc.
Use that original dry signal to supply the bottom.

The distorted signal will provide the high frequency components, they are created
by the distortion process. You don't have to supply them in the original signal.
Then just mix them in.

Also you are usually better off using a signal with mainly lows and little highs when
driving a distortion. Highs can cause dissonant sounds in the distorted signal.

DownFromTheSky 12-21-2012 11:32 PM

[quote=megafiddle;13611869]You may not need something that separates high and low frequencies. Just something
that gives you a mix of dry and distorted signal.

You can limit the signal going in so it only has mainly low frequencies. You can do this
with pickup selection, tone controls, playing technique, etc.
Use that original dry signal to supply the bottom.

The distorted signal will provide the high frequency components, they are created
by the distortion process. You don't have to supply them in the original signal.
Then just mix them in.


I have a Sansamp bass DI and a Boss odb3 and both have a blend, but I still cant get the sound I want, thanks for the suggestion though

yaksonator 12-21-2012 11:55 PM

Empress multi drive has hi/lo pass filters for each distortion. I own it and love it.

Petros-J 12-22-2012 02:04 AM

LS-2 and any drive is the answer

fasto 12-22-2012 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petros-J (Post 13612062)
LS-2 and any drive is the answer

+1 on the Boss LS-2, a better blend pedal would be the Xotic X-Blender (it has a phase invert switch)

or wait until march 2013 when MXR is releasing their new Bass Overdrive (separate wet/dry control)

sprag 12-22-2012 06:15 AM

iron ether qf
splits into 4 bands I think you can put as much or little dirt on each band as you like. don't own one so not certain if you can run a band completely clean or not. I have tried one at a store. sound is unbelievable and I do plan on getting one soon.

Dark Barn 12-22-2012 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprag (Post 13612250)
iron ether qf
splits into 4 bands I think you can put as much or little dirt on each band as you like. don't own one so not certain if you can run a band completely clean or not. I have tried one at a store. sound is unbelievable and I do plan on getting one soon.

Actually the drive knob (and boost switch) affects the amount of dirt in each band equally, the band level knobs affect the volume of each band, not how dirty they are. The mix knob blends in your clean signal with the affected signal.

Bakkster_Man 12-23-2012 07:15 PM

The brand new Deluxe Bass Big Muff Pi has a crossover to let you pass only low frequencies through clean and only highs into the distortion, both filters adjustable independently.

However, that's fuzz, not sure if you want something that aggressive.


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