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03-02-2008, 11:02 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds, UK | | | It's not cool to clone in production pedals and try to feed of the originals market.
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03-02-2008, 11:06 AM
|  | I'm a tumbler, born under punches | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Northern California | | | That was exactly my thought. It takes money from builders who already have very thin profit margins. Ironically, if they made more money I think you'd see legal action taken in instances like this. |
03-02-2008, 11:46 AM
|  | Lookout! Here comes the Fuzz! Moderator | | Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Columbia, MO | | | This has been hashed over on some other forums. Zvex thinks that they are scum, but due to their location has very little ability to do anything about it without selling the farm. |
03-02-2008, 01:39 PM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada | | | So, you guys will clone large run effects, but won't clone small ones at all?
Thats really kinda..well...Stupid. You can't justify cloning small one off effects, but you will justify cloning the big brand ones? Either you justify cloning effects or not, You can't pick and choose.
I say go for it. Buy the clone. make it. Be happy you saved 150$. Screw what everyone else says. |
03-02-2008, 01:43 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manchester, U.K | | Quote:
Originally Posted by flakeh  So, you guys will clone large run effects, but won't clone small ones at all?
Thats really kinda..well...Stupid. You can't justify cloning small one off effects, but you will justify cloning the big brand ones? Either you justify cloning effects or not, You can't pick and choose.
I say go for it. Buy the clone. make it. Be happy you saved 150$. Screw what everyone else says. | What currently in production, big brand effects has anyone that has posted in this thread made? Or even anyone that regularly visits Talkbass effects? |
03-02-2008, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Roberts What currently in production, big brand effects has anyone that has posted in this thread made? Or even anyone that regularly visits Talkbass effects? | I don't quite get what yah mean there....
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Well what I am saying is, people will clone the Big muff for example, and not look back or feel bad about one bit. becuase EHX makes alot of these units, and they are readily available. They cost like 60$, yet people still clone them, and save a few bucks. But when someone clones the wooly mammoth for example, a unit that isn't made in large groups, is a on off kinda deal, and costs 250$, you all tear into them like hawks. Why? Hes saving 150$. Sure, Zvex is a smaller business, and I am not knockin em, I'm just saying, people here tend to be a bit hypocritical really. They themselves clone effects, but when someone clones a small run effect they get ravished and criticized like a cheap whore. I don't quite get it.
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03-02-2008, 01:49 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manchester, U.K | | Quote:
Originally Posted by flakeh I don't quite get what yah mean there.... | Sorry, you say that people think it's ok to clone 'big brand' effects. But when has anyone said it's ok to do this or when has anyone actually cloned any currently in production big brand effects like you say?
It is ok to clone discontinued effects because no one is making money off them anymore, but when you are using other people's designs in your own clones this is illegal and not very fair on these pedal builder who rely on people to buy their effects to make money. |
03-02-2008, 01:52 PM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Roberts Sorry, you say that people think it's ok to clone 'big brand' effects. But when has anyone said it's ok to do this or when has anyone actually cloned any currently in production big brand effects like you say?
It is ok to clone discontinued effects because no one is making money off them anymore, but when you are using other people's designs in your own clones this is illegal and not very fair on these pedal builder who rely on people to buy their effects to make money. | EHX Big muff.
Do a search. |
03-02-2008, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by flakeh EHX Big muff.
Do a search. | No one is cloning the current circuit of these. They are cloning the past versions of these, i.e. the old sovtek ones and the rams head. |
03-02-2008, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Roberts No one is cloning the current circuit of these. They are cloning the past versions of these, i.e. the old sovtek ones and the rams head. |
Alright, then how about the fellow building the tonebender for people? I do recall it is still in production, or atleast still buyable. I do believe he has also posted in this thread, no? |
03-02-2008, 01:59 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds, UK | | Quote:
Originally Posted by flakeh So, you guys will clone large run effects, but won't clone small ones at all?
Thats really kinda..well...Stupid. You can't justify cloning small one off effects, but you will justify cloning the big brand ones? Either you justify cloning effects or not, You can't pick and choose.
I say go for it. Buy the clone. make it. Be happy you saved 150$. Screw what everyone else says. | No, that's not what we're saying at all.
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03-02-2008, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by flakeh Alright, then how about the fellow building the tonebender for people? I do recall it is still in production, or atleast still buyable. I do believe he has also posted in this thread, no? | Nope, no one has built this clone in this thread...
Toasted has said he's building a fuzz pedal but it is an original design as far as i know with many different features from many different pedals with in it. |
03-02-2008, 02:03 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds, UK | | | My pedal is an SI fuzzface . . . just like the wooly mammoth is an SI fuzz face.
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03-02-2008, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Toasted My pedal is an SI fuzzface . . . just like the wooly mammoth is an SI fuzz face. | Yeah, so no one in this thread has tried to make a tonebender either. |
03-02-2008, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Roberts Yeah, so no one in this thread has tried to make a tonebender either. |
either way. You get my point.
Toasted, You're still kinda making a clone. You're taking aspects of several other effects and combining them into a mega clone. Thats kinda what I said. |
03-02-2008, 02:09 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manchester, U.K | | | Bottom line, no one is or should be cloning ANY effects that are currently in production, I don't care if people are. It's a fact that no one should be cloning any effects currently in production, whether the company is small or big, none should be cloned. |
03-02-2008, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Roberts Bottom line, no one is or should be cloning ANY effects that are currently in production, I don't care if people are. It's a fact that no one should be cloning any effects currently in production, whether the company is small or big, none should be cloned. | the wooly mammoth is a clone (kinda) of the fuzzface, as Toasted stated. So...should Zvex stop making them?
edit DIYing a BR2 if I can, but kinda stuck
Toasted, you're even helping a guy here who's trying to clone a tonebender and a BR-2. And yet you are chirping this guy?
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03-02-2008, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by flakeh the wooly mammoth is a clone (kinda) of the fuzzface, as Toasted stated. So...should Zvex stop making them? | No, because the fuzz face is not currently made, so it doesn't really matter. |
03-02-2008, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by flakeh | BR-2's are no longer made either. | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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