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Old 07-19-2010, 09:54 AM
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Dreaming about a GT-10B or X3 Live, from a live bassist AND home recordist POV.

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Hello, Effects forum - this is my first post here, after a lot of lurking and enjoying. I guess I should tell you first that I've been a songwriter and home recordist since 1989, and have just gotten back into playing bass in a covers band for the first time in 6 or so years.

I'm thinking about a multi-effects pedal for live bass, and (to a lesser extent) something I could use in my home studio for bass, guitars or keys, just for creativity's sake.


Live, I play a 1997 Fender American Standard Jazz Bass (http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f8/meet-my-1997-fender-am-std-jazz-bass-dare-i-change-anything-about-her-673615/#post9378684) with nickel rounds and stock pickups

and a 2004? Fender Mexican Standard Precision Bass with flats and an SD Basslines 'vintage' pickup

though a Gallien-Krueger MB500 bass amp with Aguilar S410 cabinet: (http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/new-gallien-krueger-mb500-owner-first-impressions-existential-musings-666234/#post9261248)

...in styles ranging from James Jamerson soul, to Family Man Barrett reggae, to Steve Harris metal, to Cliff Burton thrash, to Mike Starr (Alice In Chains) rock, to Larry Graham/Sly Stone funk, to Paul McCartney pop.

The band I've just joined leans toward heavier 70s, and a lot of 90s-00s sounds, (they're all Alice In Chains lovers like me) and I've already influenced them to try some Bob Marley with me on bass & vocals... but they also know the power of the funk, and are are willing to expand their palette.



I am of two minds about effects; part of me is perfectly content to use variations of my fingers and my bass' tone knobs to craft a sound through this rig (which I bought just over a month ago, and am still dialing in).

Another part of me (the studio side?) sees effects as opportunities to spice up our sound and get creative with serving these songs.



I absolutely love to tweak parameters, and since I'm still stuck in the late 90's with my old Roland VS-890 recorder, I am familiar with Boss' sometimes clunky approach. Instead of being overwhelmed with the menu choices, I'm pretty task-oriented and I can zero in on what I want (be it a guitar, bass, drum, keyboard or vocal effect), then have a great time tweaking to taste.

I haven't been in the market for a MFX unit in FOREVER, and I had to catch up on what's out there nowadays by reading a lot of reviews and threads.

So, I'm wondering if an uber pedal like the Boss GT-10B would scratch my itch for tweakable effects for my live bass playing, and creative possibilities with its expression pedal...

or, how about the Line6 Pod X3 Live, which is marketed to guitarists, but has a pretty generous-looking selection of bass and vocal amps/effects as well? (I do play guitar on all my recordings, too, and all those choices appeal to me!)



Here's what I'd look for in one of these units:

I'd hope that the switching between patches could be quick, if not instant... hopefully the technology has progressed beyond my 1993 Quadraverb GT, where I had to changes patches ahead of the beat.

I love compression, even to the extent of Revolver-era Beatles squashing, and I would hope for maximum flexibility in this area above all - or, if not flexibility, I hope for at least a couple of really usable choices.

I love phasing/flanging/chorus for different ways to make the high-end of my bass sound "swimmy."

I love tape echo (I have one of those Boss Space Echo pedals and an Ibanez DE-7 to address this itch)... not that I'd be using a lot of that on bass (though we do Another Brick In The Wall, so that's one excuse!) I particularly love the effect of those repeats getting louder, worse, and more beautiful every time when the feedback is set high (foot controllable, of course!)

I'd like to be able to add some overdrive or fuzz or distortion to my bass for some patches, but this is way lower in importance to me than the compressor.

I wouldn't mind obscure special effects craziness, though never in the amount offered via some of the preset patches

I'd probably bypass any speaker simulation for live bass, but for home recording, they could be really useful (especially given my willingness to tweak the different combinations).

I love the idea of being able to set the expression pedal to control ANYTHING. I've gotten creative with my Roland keyboard about this.

I'm willing to work with individual patch, and global, EQs to fight the fizzy sterility some have complained about. The GT-10B appears to have different output options, one of which is for a bass amp with a tweeter.



But what about the compressors?

I've read a lot of reviews and impressions on both the GT-10B and Pod X3 Live, but none have touched on their compressor options in the detail I enjoy. I've read both user manuals and (going by that alone) the Pod X3 Live seems to have the edge - at least, there are more compressor models, but I can't tell if their quality trumps quantity.



Which one - or neither?

Either of these units would be miles beyond anything I've ever used... it seems modeling has gotten better, and you can always turn it off... and I believe I can navigate the many options to work on sounds that are right for me.

From all I've typed in this lonnnng post about my tastes & inclinations, would you recommend either of these units?

Or, would you say "stay away - you'll be disappointed with the digital lameness of either"?

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Old 07-19-2010, 05:32 PM
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I am a GT-10B owner (actually have 10B, 10 & 3 + once had 5 & 6B) and have not tried the Line 6 ones, but have read A LOT about the Line6 products.

I can say in my biased opinion that the GT-10B is one hell of a machine. If you like tweaking the GT-10B surpasses the Line6 range, if you want a graphical look at the GT-10B functions, check out the editor software link in my signature below.

The GT-10B compressors are awsum, there is also a multiband one too.
The GT-10B has almost 2 of everything and in some cases 3~5. 5 lots of separate EQ, 3 delays, 3 wahs. The best feature is the Assigns, where you can program a pedal to control 8~9 different parameters in one pedal operation.

Based on the combined general concensus from all around, the differences are..
GT-10B:
more + better quality effects
robust case + better reliabilty
up to 12 simutanious effects
chain order fully programmable + dual parallel path
has additional XLR balanced outputs
said to be more suited for live performances

Line 6: had previous firmware issues which have now been resolved
better amp and speaker modeling
issues with failing footswitches
said to be more suited for recording, amp sims tend to sound fake/over processed live.

both: have USB midi/audio I/O suitable for recording direct.
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Old 07-20-2010, 08:18 AM
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Thank you AGAIN, gumtownbassman - I believe I've already benefited from reading your posts on other effects forums, if you go by 'gumtown.'

This is the kind of summary I really hoped for!

It seems if I'm serious about live bass effects, the GT-10B is the ticket. I'm also more familiar with Boss' effects.

I might even opt to run just effects and EQ - not amp or cabinet models - to preserve my tone if I decide that's more pure.
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Old 07-20-2010, 10:11 AM
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I took a look at your free GT-10B editor and was amazed to see you made two versions for Linux! Thank you!!!

I'm embarrassed to ask - if I run Ubuntu 9.04, would I need the Linux-32 or Linux-64 version?
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I took a look at your free GT-10B editor and was amazed to see you made two versions for Linux! Thank you!!!

I'm embarrassed to ask - if I run Ubuntu 9.04, would I need the Linux-32 or Linux-64 version?
Depends on which distro you installed. I have 10.04 64-bit installed so I would grab the 64 bit version.

x86 = 32 bit and amd64 = 64 bit. Just download either, and assuming its a .deb package, if you downloaded the "wrong" one, synaptic will just tell you it's wrong/can't install.

BTW, I have a GT-10B myself (+ some other stuff for fun), and I prefer it over the X3 I tried once. It just seems better laid out and having the ability to order the fx any which way is awesome.
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Old 07-20-2010, 04:26 PM
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The 32 bit version will run on both Linux-32 and Linux-64, where as the FxFloorboard 64 version will only run on linux 64bit.

That is totally dependant on which version of Linux you have installed, which is not that easy to find out.

Try both, if you get some wierd message trying to run the 64bit version, then you quite likely have Linux 32.

The issue with the Linux version on the GT-10B is there is no USB driver (possibly in the latest linux updates) since the driver would normally be built into the operating system. (FxFloorBoard uses ASLA audio/midi system). The GT-10 was recently added to ALSA, so maybe the GT-10B too?

So simple midi adapter device is required on Linux. The Roland/Edirol ones always work on Linux.

BTW: yes i also go by the name "gumtown" i other places, just so happens to be the name of the road i live on.
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Old 07-20-2010, 07:20 PM
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I guess this would be the place to ask as I search around, but does the gt-10B hookup to win 7 ok? I know some software has "compatibility issues" and I'm just wondering before I try it.

I think that editing my GT on a 46" 1080p screen would be AWESOME
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I guess this would be the place to ask as I search around, but does the gt-10B hookup to win 7 ok? I know some software has "compatibility issues" and I'm just wondering before I try it.

I think that editing my GT on a 46" 1080p screen would be AWESOME
I also own a 10b and couldnt get win 7 on my new laptop to see it.
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Old 07-20-2010, 07:45 PM
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the gt-10b continues to amaze me. I love this unit
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Old 07-20-2010, 07:50 PM
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The GT10b - PROVIDING you have the visual editing software, is a revelation. The best part for me are the hidden gems in the "FX" bank of effects, including the "Passive to Active" Simulator which makes every bass you play sound like a Spector. Simply awesome.
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Old 07-20-2010, 08:02 PM
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I guess this would be the place to ask as I search around, but does the gt-10B hookup to win 7 ok? I know some software has "compatibility issues" and I'm just wondering before I try it.

I think that editing my GT on a 46" 1080p screen would be AWESOME
Yeah no problems, except the graphic is non-scalable just for now.
There are Windows-7 32 and 64 bit drivers on the Boss site for the GT-10B.

The "GT-10BFxFloorBoard" software editor is written using windows 7 libraries, as well as various 32 and 64 bit versions for Mac Osx and Linux.
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Old 07-20-2010, 08:03 PM
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I also own a 10b and couldnt get win 7 on my new laptop to see it.
did you install the USB drivers from the Boss site, and set your GT-10B SYSTEM >>>> USB to 'advanced driver mode'.??
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Old 07-20-2010, 08:31 PM
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did you install the USB drivers from the Boss site, and set your GT-10B SYSTEM >>>> USB to 'advanced driver mode'.??
Yup, i hit the connect button and it said Boss gt10b not found. My pedal is at the practice space tonight, but i will give it another shot tomorrow.
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Old 07-21-2010, 12:35 AM
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Yup, i hit the connect button and it said Boss gt10b not found. My pedal is at the practice space tonight, but i will give it another shot tomorrow.
And you selected "Boss GT10B" as the midi device from the TOOLS >> PREFERENCES >> MIDI menu in GT-10BFxFloorBoard.

and you actually have the gt-10B software and drivers installed, not the gt-10 ones.
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