Dubscope Overview and Clips

AElfes · #1 03-13-2011, 05:53 AM

Well, Im sure some people want to hear some clips of the new(ish) Copilot fx Dubscope.

First, the pros. This thing is really like nothing else Ive played. Its a sweet Distortion/Fuzz, and a pretty nice filter as well. After speaking with his mightyness Behndy (Who I'm pretty sure has the No. 1 production model, I have no.2), It'd be awesome to turn off the LFO+Filter and just have the distortion, cause it does sound awesome. If it is or isnt similar to the Copilot Orbit, Im not sure. The clean blend is quite awesome, being able to blend in your dry sound. I like the tone of half dubscope, and half Supercollider running just before it, but thats me

Cons

Im not sure how other users (if there are any....) are fairing, but the Sequencer rate, and the LFO rates of the four steps aren't synced in any way. So the rate of each step is constant, and depending on what rate you tap for the sequencer, you can either get a really sweet wobble going, in time and such, or you get a mismatched weird sorta sound. For me, this is the one aspect which stops this being a great pedal. And moving the rate knobs for the sequencer chance the rate a fair amount, so after finding a nice setting, even a little bump can cause it to disappear.

So, is it a great pedal?.....Almost. Its definitely a step in the right direction for people looking for Dub-step style sounds and not willing to spend a small fortune.
Is it the be-all-and-end-all for this stuff? Nope

Clips!
(for those interested; Recorded with a Fender Roadworn '60s Jazz Bass -> Dubscope -> Hartke HA3500 -> Hartke VX410 -> Shure sm-57 -> Presonus Firebox -> Cubase 4 -> Macbook Pro)
On all the clips, Ill play once with the clean sound, then the effect.

First Up is with the Sequencer controlling the filter, with the range set kind of high.

Third is the Sequencer controlling the tremolo, instead of the filter.

This last clip is just a little noodle with the best sound i could get in 10 minutes. It starts on the tremolo, and about halfway I switch it to filter. Theres some Boss OC-2 thrown in there too (Sub Octave only)....

So...yeah, thats it. Hopefully Behndy will chime in with his experiences with this thing. Requests and such for soundclips are welcome, but I probs wont get to them tonight (Aussie time here)

RNV · #2 03-13-2011, 06:07 AM

Sounds freaking great man! I personally have no use for one in a band setting, but your clips make me want one.

CHILDISHGAMBINO · #3 03-13-2011, 09:53 AM

Sounds great. Looks like such a fun pedal. Thanks for the clips.

bigchiefbc · #4 03-13-2011, 10:00 AM

Sounds great! Thanks for the clips.

I'm going to be getting a custom one of these in a month or so. I'm really psyched! Adam is a really awesome guy. One of favorite builders out there

autopilot · #5 03-13-2011, 05:02 PM

Glad i dropped by,those clips sounds nice.

You can set the range at 0, and adjust the Aux to your liking for straight fuzz tone. Also plugging a 1/4 plug (not connected to anything) to the exp jack will give some interesting fuzz stuff (dont putthe trem mode if you plug the jack since it could start on the off section of the trem and will keep a while to change the state).

About the sequencer, (sorry i havent had time to do a proper manual), the 4 knobs are like 4 different rates, that are changing (they arent subdivisions of your tap, it can be done that way but the issue will some people would like some timesignatures and while others will like different).

From feedback and some playing with the prototype, i think the pedal will benefit from manual scrolling (so each time you tap it will move to the other step, so it will be easy to sync), I´m redesigning the pcb for that purpose so the recent dubscope will come with that feature. Also that way it will be easiert to find the right spot/rate, it is very fun when using the long non-editablesequence (right toggle down). Alex and Ben drop me an email if you´re interested in that.

Shish · #6 03-13-2011, 05:15 PM

i'm a huge Copilot FX fan (i have Android and Orbit and love both of them) but Dubscope seems to me as a useless pedal. the filter sounds too shallow. it can be fun to tweak the knobs but not to play music with.

PunkRocker33133 · #7 03-13-2011, 08:12 PM

how deep can this get?

Gopher Bob · #8 03-14-2011, 12:58 AM

Thanks for the clips. If once you play with it a bit more post more clips if you have the time.

gastric · #9 03-14-2011, 05:45 AM

Sounds like a wah layered on top of your sound as opposed to a deep LPF cutting through the entire signal. T hough that could simply be the way your clips are recorded or the way your settings were applied (too much clean blend).

AElfes · #10 03-14-2011, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shish

i'm a huge Copilot FX fan (i have Android and Orbit and love both of them) but Dubscope seems to me as a useless pedal. the filter sounds too shallow. it can be fun to tweak the knobs but not to play music with.

Yeah, tweaking can lead to some fun sounds, but as to being "musical".....hmm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gopher Bob

Thanks for the clips. If once you play with it a bit more post more clips if you have the time.

Im just about to do a new one, imma record a loop with a RC-2 and just fiddle, to show the range of sounds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gastric

Sounds like a wah layered on top of your sound as opposed to a deep LPF cutting through the entire signal. T hough that could simply be the way your clips are recorded or the way your settings were applied (too much clean blend).

You're right, im not 100% on the filter, and how its affecting the sound, but in all those clips, the blend was 100% dubscope, no clean at all

gonna do that clip now

AElfes · #11 03-14-2011, 06:50 AM

Well, Here's the new clip. As before, Roadworn Jazz -> RC-2 Looper -> Dubscope -> Hartke head+cab -> Shure sm-57 -> Cubase. (Both p'ups on and tone wide open)

Just a four bar recorded phrase, and then about 4 mins of knob twiddling. About 2ish minutes I switch to the tremolo (careful at loud volumes, theres a spike when this happens). Pretty much just messing around with the Range, Aux and a bit of the Gate knob. Also, I blend in the dry tone at some point.

For funsies, I ran the piezo from my upright bass into the dubscope as well, but it...er....wasnt pretty. especially with some arco playing...

Gopher Bob · #12 03-14-2011, 09:31 AM

Last one my favorite clip. 1:30 that wobbly low sound is very nice.

PunkRocker33133 · #13 03-14-2011, 11:48 AM

This actually seems really useful to me, my band having some dubstep breakdowns and wahtnot, but how much amp/low end would you need to really recreate the sound?

zipflint · #14 03-14-2011, 04:36 PM

Well $(#!. I didn't know I wanted something like this until I listened to those clips.

behndy · #15 03-15-2011, 01:45 AM

yeah. i'm digging mine. i haven't put up any clips 'cause i'm still getting my head around it. it's doing different things than what i'd expect in some of the knob-twiddlin's.

i'm VERY interested in the changes Adam's talking about. i think i'm going to wait till i get that in before i try to do any clips or a vid.

very cool box though.

also, NICE clips homie! good stuff!

PunkRocker33133 · #16 03-15-2011, 02:33 PM

bump for new clips, and an answer to how deep this gets (with or without an octave pedal)

Gopher Bob · #17 03-15-2011, 11:57 PM

Thank you for all the previous clips. I too would like to hear low end wobble clips.

AElfes · #18 03-16-2011, 12:07 AM

Deep....as in.....like....notes? or sound... im confused

zipflint · #19 03-16-2011, 01:44 AM

Also, just because I don't know exactly what you'd call this kind of stomp box, can anyone recommend anything else that does this kind of thing? I'm new to the whole "dubstep" thing.....

I guess I'm just looking for a point of reference, since my GAS is telling me that I'm now in the market for something like this, if not THIS pedal specifically. Cheaper would be good....

I've got a Digitech BSW, several fuzz boxes (including a Truly Beautiful Disaster, which is an oscillating fuzz),but this thing seems like a beast unto itself.....I would school myself, but I'm not even sure what terms to search for.....

AElfes · #20 03-16-2011, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zipflint

Also, just because I don't know exactly what you'd call this kind of stomp box, can anyone recommend anything else that does this kind of thing? I'm new to the whole "dubstep" thing.....

I guess I'm just looking for a point of reference, since my GAS is telling me that I'm now in the market for something like this, if not THIS pedal specifically. Cheaper would be good....

I've got a Digitech BSW, several fuzz boxes (including a Truly Beautiful Disaster, which is an oscillating fuzz),but this thing seems like a beast unto itself.....I would school myself, but I'm not even sure what terms to search for.....

Oh man, be careful. Its a slippery slope, the GAS that drives you to this sound.

This thread is required reading, IMO. There's many ways to go about that wobwobwob sound. I've found Octave -> Fuzz -> Fliter -> Tremolo is a vveerryy ad hoc way to do it, but to do it convincingly, and practically, becomes wwaayy expensive