That Dubstep Wobbbbbbbbble.

[Floridabwoy]

I need a detuner pedal.

[RCCollins]

Originally Posted by Floridabwoy

I need a detuner pedal.

there are various ways to go about this. one fairly simple way is the EBS TremoLo, which has a "filter" mode that preserves low end. find the right depth setting, turn the rate up and listen to that wobble!

[rnilson]

Tremolo or Flanger is the way to go unless you want a huge multiple pedal/layered signal chain set up to solve the problem.
This is an easy sound to get. Beat synced LFO running a filter at veried speeds also does a nice job.

[Floridabwoy]

I love what you are doing rnilson. It is a inspiring for sure.

I really love the wobble in
Casper - Rubber Chicken at the 2 minute mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SNHK...eature=related

But I want the wobble to to vary in speed according to what not I am playing...
Faster at higher notes and slower at lower notes. I know from producting D 'n B that do do that you very slightly detune two basslines on top of each other. Like Digital & Spirit basslines.

But all the detuning pedals seem to be a half step or what not. I need to figure out how to make/or find a pedal that will detune ever so slightly. I have looked at the Digitech Whammy and the Boss Super Shifter but that is not what I am looking for.

Current set-up is OC-2 -> FM6 -> FX25B -> OHX Pi ->Dano Vibrato

[RCCollins]

it sounds to me like you are gonna need a device with an external LFO

[Max Roberts]

Sounds a bit like the 4ms Nocto Loco to me? Doesn't that get to a point where the tempo of the 'wob' changes according to pitch?

Edit, I guess that would be impossible to sync to music.

[RCCollins]

i dont think a SINGLE pedal is gonna pull this off. Paging fightthepower... fightthepower, there's a horse in the hospital!

[Floridabwoy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMbP3Yr2nmk

really loving the wobble (3rd demo) on the SYB-5. I just hate to spend $200 on a pedal (w. expression pedal) that I am going to use 1 sound.

[RCCollins]

Originally Posted by Floridabwoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMbP3Yr2nmk

really loving the wobble (3rd demo) on the SYB-5. I just hate to spend $200 on a pedal (w. expression pedal) that I am going to use 1 sound.

i don't think you're likely to get that effect for cheaper. not new, anyway

[fightthepower]

Yeah those effects are very much attainable-- the pitch dependent wobble it a tough one though. As mentioned above, the Nocto Loco does pitch dependent wobble, but you still have to work a filter into the mix.

I just use my foot and an exp pedal a lot of the time because you can be very expressive with it. Beat sync'd lfo's will get you places as well- specifically the stuff in the caspa vid can be done with the mp201 no problem, but that's getting way up there in price. The best you can really do for the cheapest, in my opinion, is a moog lowpass filter+exp pedal and a well trained foot- mix that with octave and fuzz and you're pretty much there. Still over $200 though-

[RCCollins]

in that case i will recommend the TremoLo once again - it doesn't do the pitch shift, but it wobbles like nobody's business and you don't have to worry about your ankle getting tired

[Floridabwoy]

Yeah... but there has to be a pedal or a pedal schematic out there that will give me capacitor/resistor values vs. how much it will detune. Or even a putting a potentiometer to adjust the amount of current passing thru the pedal to adjust the pitch.

Capone - Friday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjQ3tQCXYMg


I will figure it out, and I will sell it to you on the cheap!

[fightthepower]

I say the best you're going to get is filter wobble, but hey if you figure out an analog static detuning method I'll be first in line to get one.

So lets say you get the detuning pedal going-- how many waves are you going to layer, and with which blend pedal? Detune a saw 15cents, layered with a +15cents saw, layered with another square?- something along those lines, and then filter/modulate?

[RCCollins]

see, at that point i would just give up on doing it with strings and use a synth, isn't that what's used in the example?

[fightthepower]

Sure, probably massive or reaktor or any number of soft synths.

But keys are no fun and there's no challenge in the performance aspect of it. Without a magic detuning pedal, I still got many of those tones nailed, and I could do those above in particular with much less gear than I currently have--- would it be cheaper to do it with a synth? yes indeed.. But hey, Im not a keys player moonlighting as a bassist

[RCCollins]

Originally Posted by fightthepower

Sure, probably massive or reaktor or any number of soft synths.

But keys are no fun and there's no challenge in the performance aspect of it. Without a magic detuning pedal, I still got many of those tones nailed, and I could do those above in particular with much less gear than I currently have--- would it be cheaper to do it with a synth? yes indeed.. But hey, Im not a keys player moonlighting as a bassist

oh, i know YOU do. but then again IMO your "pedalboard" qualifies as a modular synth. and you haven't got this detune thing going, have you? THAT'S the part that makes me say, go synth

if somebody can show me a cheaper, easier way to wobble than the TremoLo, please do.

[fightthepower]

Im actually working on the detuning at the moment, its been my new project this last week- whether or not Im successful and it stays on my board Im not sure. Im still trying to wrap my head around all of this, and put theory into practice... with limited hardware. I don't quite understand which wobble is related to the detuning/phase cancelations.. And how much of the importance of the detuning is just for massive sound (ie layer sharp and flat tuned waves over each other as to not be out of tune/unpleasent, while still taking up a large frequency spectrum with a bass line). For instance, in a reese dnb line I can hear/feel all the morphing going on, but the dubstep wobble that floridabwoy is referring to just sounds like lfo'd filtering- if there's any detuning, to my ears it just sounds like it would be to take up sonic space with just bass... but alas this is all new to me and Im still trying to figure it all out.

So far Im running the oc2+freqbox in parallel with the Pollyanna, and Ive experimented with phasing/flanging one or both channels (the moog phaser detunes very well) with limited success. I think the phaser on the freqbox's saw, and its lfo thats swinging the tuning in both directions when the phasers frequency is very low (phasing fundamental?) will have good results with only two channels, one of which being detuned, and still feel 'in tune'.

Right now Im working on an MP201 patch for the Freqbox that does PWM, FM, and slowly changes the Frequency of the oscillator-- moving the Freq up while playing changes the pitch- ie if I do real quick while playing my tuner shoots off the map.. Seems like this may be a good way to get it as well. Either way, Im having fun experimenting, and whether or not it becomes a staple of my pedalboard, I'd like to learn it and have it under my belt so-to-speak.

But I do agree to a point- some of the more out there reese bass stuff Noisa etc, and dubstep modulation is best left to synths and sampling- if you really want the crazy stuff that involves lots and lots of programming sampling/resampling/detuning/layering/notching/etc as I understand it. But you can settle in for some good stuff with a bass guitar and good analog gear as well... same thing with an analog synth like the Voyager-- though it makes a great starting point for sampling the saw's etc to then manipulate in your soft synth, and you can make great reeses and dubstep stuff with the Voyager as well, and layer the detuned waves and stuff for sure, but the most out there stuff is done by soft synths.. pick and choose I suppose.

*edit* I used this set up (not the freqbox patch.. not done yet) a bit at practice the other night, i may post a clip for reference/progress.

[RCCollins]

Originally Posted by fightthepower

Im actually working on the detuning at the moment, its been my new project this last week- whether or not Im successful and it stays on my board Im not sure. Im still trying to wrap my head around all of this, and put theory into practice... with limited hardware. I don't quite understand which wobble is related to the detuning/phase cancelations.. And how much of the importance of the detuning is just for massive sound (ie layer sharp and flat tuned waves over each other as to not be out of tune/unpleasent, while still taking up a large frequency spectrum with a bass line). For instance, in a reese dnb line I can hear/feel all the morphing going on, but the dubstep wobble that floridabwoy is referring to just sounds like lfo'd filtering- if there's any detuning, to my ears it just sounds like it would be to take up sonic space with just bass... but alas this is all new to me and Im still trying to figure it all out.

Is LFO-controlled filtering the secret of wobble, or is it more of an amp envelope thing? I suppose it could be done either way...

[fightthepower]

Yep, LFO. I can get passable results out of my tremolo into an envelope filter, but it doesn't quite sound the same- not as fat and defined, and with less control over the modulation. Everyone I know doing 'live' ableton dubstep and the like are using lfo, and manipulating the lfo's live via knobs twisting etc. Thats not to say its the only way, but as far as I know it the prominent and effective- not quite an expert though, ymmv.

[rcubed]

Let me get this straight, you're about a LFO filter with slight pitch bending? I'm trying to make sense of it and think of whether it would be easily doable.