An effect you want (or hear in your head) for which there isn't a pedal for?

[bongomania]

There are LOTS of tremolo pedals with a "chop"/square wave setting, and all of them can be set extremely fast if you like.

[bongomania]

Originally Posted by Roscoe East

But those really aren't two different aspects of "hearing"

...because it doesn't mean anything to say "We can hear a note nearly instantaneously upon its arrival at our eardrums" if you can't consciously acknowledge that you've heard a note!

We are honestly splitting hairs here, but my point is that there is a big difference between hearing and conscious reaction. See my comment about hearing dissonance for example. You are focusing on the idea that consciously identifying something requires time, while I am focusing on the idea that we hear a great deal unconsciously, with the sound passing through filters that do not require conscious thought.

Originally Posted by Roscoe East

Irrespective of whether you can identify that note as "a low B", just the process of recognizing that an audible event has transpired involves the brain's discriminative capabilities, and the small-but-measurable time delays and content-smearing alluded to in my previous post will most certainly impact that acknowledgement.

This is where we disagree. Everything I have read on the subject says that our brains perform massive amounts of figuration on our sensory input automatically with no conscious thought before passing the data on to the rest of our thought processes. We begin developing this figuration at birth as our primary and fundamental skill for perceiving the world.

Here are some related links I've dug up:
http://sulcus.berkeley.edu/flm/ms/physio.percept.html
http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/...l.pcbi.1000464
http://maxlab.neuro.georgetown.edu/d...pterFinal2.pdf

Every related page I have found has almost the exact same words in the abstract or opening paragraph: "we currently cannot reproduce or explain the human brain's speed of pattern recognition."

[topo morto]

Originally Posted by scubaduba

How fast can the rate be set on that Hummingbird pedal? Can it be set so fast that the gap between notes is barely audible? That would get me the purr I think.

It looks like it's maxed out there, but as bongomania says you have lots of options. From memory I think the EHX stereo pulsar goes quite fast but don't quote me.

If you set a trem much faster than that, you start getting an effect that doesn't sound like modulation at all but starts making you sound clangy and metallic (people talk about 'ring-mod' type effects)

[bigchiefbc]

The latest version of the Hummingbird can be set so fast that it gets well into the ring-mod territory.

[HollowBassman]

I'm not sure if I'm using the right terminology but does a pedal exist that will allow the fundamental of a note to pass unaffected but that will slightly delay the overtones and harmonics of the note with the amount of delay increasing as the frequency(of the overtones, not the fundamental) increases?

I imagine a note quickly blooming from almost a thud into the normal clean sound giving it an almost reverb like quality.

[topo morto]

Originally Posted by HollowBassman

I'm not sure if I'm using the right terminology but does a pedal exist that will allow the fundamental of a note to pass unaffected but that will slightly delay the overtones and harmonics of the note with the amount of delay increasing as the frequency(of the overtones, not the fundamental) increases?

I imagine a note quickly blooming from almost a thud into the normal clean sound giving it an almost reverb like quality.

Not aware of a pedal. In the VST world:
http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/spectron/
http://www.izotope.com/products/audi...ron/delay.html

Sadly that won't track your played note frequency, which would be necessary to make it work exactly as you described.

[Luke19Boarder]

Originally Posted by BassilPesto

Or an affordable pitch-to-MIDI pedal with perfect tracking, no noticeable latency, that doesn't require special pickups.

Not quite a pedal, but I've used the sonuus i2m to good effect ... the only latency seems to be from my computers poor specs. This video shows a guy using it on his pedalboard ... pretty cool!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX26r7ipvA8

[St Drogo]

Originally Posted by HollowBassman

I'm not sure if I'm using the right terminology but does a pedal exist that will allow the fundamental of a note to pass unaffected but that will slightly delay the overtones and harmonics of the note with the amount of delay increasing as the frequency(of the overtones, not the fundamental) increases?

I imagine a note quickly blooming from almost a thud into the normal clean sound giving it an almost reverb like quality.

Sounds like an autowah, almost. Perhaps you could use a crossover, set it to have the fundamental one way and the overtones to the other output, and connect a delay to the output with the overtones, with a 100% wet mix? That way you'd only hear the fundamental, with the overtones added in later, in whatever time you set the delay to.

Edit: Or even better: use a crossover and set it as mentioned above, then put a boss slow gear after the overtone output. If you can find one on ebay or something. That should get you exactly the bloom you are going for.

If you do, post some soundclips. I'd be interested how this sounds.

[afchevalier]

A pedal that imitates the sound of a chanting meditative "ohm" kinda sound like Buddhist monks or something.

[St Drogo]

Originally Posted by afchevalier

A pedal that imitates the sound of a chanting meditative "ohm" kinda sound like Buddhist monks or something.

Maybe get a looper and record yourself doing a chant? Several layers maybe, and put it on during performances, perhaps some octaver on it, and drive to get the chanting sound if you can't sound like a choir yourself

[Roscoe East]

Originally Posted by bongomania

You are focusing on the idea that consciously identifying something requires time, while I am focusing on the idea that we hear a great deal unconsciously

My focus is with that word "hear" as used above. Our auditory mechanism is exposed to compressions & rarefactions of air pressure, and those in turn cause our eardrums and inner ears to perform a wonderfully cool mechanical-to-electical transformation, and those electrical impulses make their way to various parts of our brain, and all of that happens unconsciously

...and none of that, I would argue, is what we consider "hearing".

It's kinda like the koan of "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?" Anyone who's taken a Philosophy 101 class (or smoked a lot of weed in an undergraduate dorm) knows that the question isn't really asking whether or not the crash of the falling tree will create cyclic air pressure variations that would be heard if an eardrum were exposed to them; they know that the question is really asking whether the meaning of the word "sound" refers to the cause or the perception.

Similarly, "hearing" is not a process by which sound (sic) makes its way to the brain; "hearing" is the process by which the brain acknowledges that sound has made its way into the body's sensory apparatus, regardless of whether or not that cognition has occurred consciously.

Originally Posted by bongomania

Everything I have read on the subject says that our brains perform massive amounts of figuration on our sensory input automatically with no conscious thought before passing the data on to the rest of our thought processes.

And everything I've read on the subject says that there is no objectively definable point "before" versus "after" consciousness: Sensation gets cognated over time, and the brain's figuration process evolves while those sensations themselves are evolving, such that one can never precisely determine when a person has become conscious of a sensation because there is so much temporal smearing.

See the research of Sir John Eccles, Benjamin Libet, Patricia Chirchland, and Daniel Dennett for specifics.

[boomertech]

An experiment would be to pop a balloon behind your girlfriend looking into a mirror without her knowing what you are going to do. If her eyes blink with the pop, then the brain has heard something and reacted to it before she is aware of what happened.

When she punches you in the arm then she is aware of what just happened.

-Frank

[metalinthenight]

I got one. Based off the idea behind the TC Electronics tone print stuff or maybe the markBass computer controlled/expanded effects.

What about a blank three or four knob pedal that could become any effect type based on whatever pedal you needed for the gig? I.E. distortion or flanger or phaser or whatever. Just be able to control the settings on the computer or upload pre-made effects types from the Internet.

[MrPierre]

Not exactly an effect pedal, but an Ebow made for bass would be awesome.

[Luke19Boarder]

Originally Posted by metalinthenight

I got one. Based off the idea behind the TC Electronics tone print stuff or maybe the markBass computer controlled/expanded effects.

What about a blank three or four knob pedal that could become any effect type based on whatever pedal you needed for the gig? I.E. distortion or flanger or phaser or whatever. Just be able to control the settings on the computer or upload pre-made effects types from the Internet.

That would be awesome, ideally if it could use VST's. Otherwise, the effects and patches would probably be pricey/limited.

[metalinthenight]

Originally Posted by Luke19Boarder

That would be awesome, ideally if it could use VST's. Otherwise, the effects and patches would probably be pricey/limited.

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. It would only be cool if all of the patches and effects were free downloads like the TonePrint series, or the software to create your own came free with the pedal.

I have no idea what VSTs are so you got me there. I also have no idea if this is possible. The TonePrint stuff works because that pedal is inherently a delay (or trem, or chorus or whatever) so it already has all the guts of a delay, ya know? I don't know what it would take to make it completely blank.

The Console from Devi Ever reminds me of this idea though. Especially if they made a compact single pedal (Gameboy style )

[Meddle]

Originally Posted by scubaduba

Not at all. None of the wah and delay. I'm looking for the grit and really in-audible space between tone. It would sound like a tiger purring.

Maybe an LFO-driven square wave tremolo whereby the speed of the tremolo would increase and decrease over a set duration.

[Luke19Boarder]

Originally Posted by metalinthenight

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. It would only be cool if all of the patches and effects were free downloads like the TonePrint series, or the software to create your own came free with the pedal.

I have no idea what VSTs are so you got me there. I also have no idea if this is possible. The TonePrint stuff works because that pedal is inherently a delay (or trem, or chorus or whatever) so it already has all the guts of a delay, ya know? I don't know what it would take to make it completely blank.

The Console from Devi Ever reminds me of this idea though. Especially if they made a compact single pedal (Gameboy style )

VST = virtual studio technology (i think that's what it stands for, anyway) ... typically used as plug-ins for audio production software. So, not sure how possible it would be to have something in pedal form that could utilize them, but it would be a game changer for me!

[Roscoe East]

Originally Posted by MrPierre

Not exactly an effect pedal, but an Ebow made for bass would be awesome.

+1
I've been using an eBow on bass for a few months, and while I'm pretty comfortable getting it to work, I'm always surprised at how much easier it is when I use it on a guitar. An eBow with spacing designed to fit bass strings would be awesome!

[GBassNorth]

I need an effect pedal that works like sound hound and recognizes what song I'm playing regardless of my errors and then automatically corrects for tone, pitch, timing and tuning so I can be a lazy $#^t and just "look" like I know what I'm doing. Think "lip sync" for bass players but in a dynamic vs pre recorded way.