Effects in the "Wrong" order

Thunderscreech · #1 05-10-2009, 10:04 PM

I know some of you do this. It's like other things that people do that they don't admit to. Putting your Filters after your chorus? Putting your chorus before your distortion? Putting your phaser in front of your octave pedal? What do you do that upsets the "normal" order of effects.

The examples I have included are things I have done, either with bass or guitar, back when I had a 15-pedal rig that included a full-size POG and at least 4 gain pedals and 2 phasers. I wish I had never sold any of that stuff.

The Phaser >POG combo was really, really weird if i remember right.

Snakeman1066 · #2 05-10-2009, 10:08 PM

it's all subjective and relative in my book

depends on the pedals.....i have had some combinations that didn't play nice together....i swapped their order and they worked fine....

it's all about experimentation.....but there are general guidelines....

http://users.chariot.net.au/~gmarts/fx-order.htm

good read and good overall advice

Thunderscreech · #3 05-10-2009, 10:10 PM

I'm talking about doing it intentionally, if that helps...

but the comp after some filters would make sense...

Bassenstien · #4 05-10-2009, 10:10 PM

For my post rock/stoner board I have my wah first (before octave, filter, OD, Fuzz). Thats bout the only unusual placement that I prefer.

Snakeman1066 · #5 05-10-2009, 10:15 PM

Funny/Weird

My Wah is first in my chain as well....in my dirty Rig

Bass...Wah...OD...Boost...Filter...Fuzz...Octave.. .Chorus...RPM...Head...Cabinet

Clean Rig is Bass...RBI...Head...Cabinet

Thunderscreech · #6 05-10-2009, 10:23 PM

I hate posting when I'm not even sure what I'm thinking...

Bassenstien · #7 05-10-2009, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snakeman1066

My Wah is first in my chain as well

Great minds...

McHaven · #8 05-10-2009, 10:24 PM

For awhile, I liked to keep a fuzz in both the end and beginning of my chain, so I can fuzz before and after every other effect.

Ric5 · #9 05-10-2009, 10:27 PM

To keep effects from interfering with other I run them in parallel and not in series ...

First I split the signal into 4 parallel signals with a rolls mixer.

1 - I run one into the Line6 bass pod where I model an acoustic 360 with a rat distortion pedal. I use this to get a retro growlly distorted sound. Or I also model an Ampeg fliptop with the Rat Distortion pedal.

2 - The second signal goes into a Mxr bass di+. I use this pedal to get a clean modern sound. It also has a distortion button that can give a moderate to extreme amount of modern distortion.

3 - The third signal goes into a Marshall Guv'nor. This gives me an old 60s marshall stack sound. This can go from a small amount of distortion to an over the top marshall sound. This effect can give you a Chris Squire Yes sound or a heavy metal sound, or just a subtle amount of distortion.

4 - The fourth signal goes into a Tech21 vt bass pedal. With this effect I get a slightly dirty Ampeg SVT bass amp sound with a tube like growl.

Then I remix the 4 signals back together and run it into a bass amp, or pa, or studio mixer. Because the signals are parallel I can mix clean and overdriven sounds together and still get effect and a sound that punches through the mix.

Jazz Ad · #10 05-10-2009, 10:31 PM

I like tremolo or pan before filters. It makes for glitchy, cycling bubbles like the whole thing was self-oscillating.

grovest · #11 05-10-2009, 10:52 PM

Yeah, after some posts on another forum I decided to rethink my pedal order and it is now "wrong" in a couple of ways. I really like the results and just have to second something I've seen here many times (though until recently hadn't really attempted): there are no rules!

My new order is:
od1 -> fuzz -> pitchfactor -> timefactor -> modfactor -> od2

TribalEagle · #12 05-10-2009, 11:04 PM

I use bass -> chorus -> distortion -> wah -> amp (with drive)
Never even tought that chorus should be after distortion, before reading it from some Boss manual.. Tried it, didn`t like it. It just sounds wrong

bigchiefbc · #13 05-11-2009, 06:02 AM

The main thing I do that many consider wrong is putting my delay before all of my modulation. I like the sound of my phasers and flangers sweeping over the echos better than the other way around.

theunknowndude · #14 05-11-2009, 06:21 AM

I have my wah at the end of my chain behind all octave/dirt and delay,... can sound interesting if I use the right effects into it with delay...

RCCollins · #15 05-11-2009, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bassenstien

For my post rock/stoner board I have my wah first (before octave, filter, OD, Fuzz). Thats bout the only unusual placement that I prefer.

that isn't even all that unusual... for guitarists

3toes · #16 05-11-2009, 07:57 AM

The only thing that I do that's "wrong" is I put my Micro Q-tron AFTER my VT Bass. I found that the volume spike of the Q sends too much input into the VT and makes it sound a little dirtier than I want.

Bass -> Micro POG -> SYB-3 -> VT Bass -> Micro Q-tron -> Amp

Swimming Bird · #17 05-11-2009, 10:12 AM

I start with delay and modulation. Current board:

Bass >> PitchFactor >> Boss PH-3 >> FX-25 >> MXR Blue Box >> DOD Bass Grunge >> BYOC Armstrong Twin >> EHX DMM >> Ibanez Mostortion >> Boss RC-20xl >> amp

skulletwhip · #18 05-11-2009, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigchiefbc

The main thing I do that many consider wrong is putting my delay before all of my modulation. I like the sound of my phasers and flangers sweeping over the echos better than the other way around.

i do this too.

Valerus · #19 05-11-2009, 10:21 AM

Thunderscreech, would you do flanger into fuzz or fuzz into flanger?

mattyiop · #20 05-11-2009, 10:23 AM

If your using all true bypass pedals and only one pedal is on at a time does the order matter?