Electric Drums VS. Loop Machine

[ilovethesechord]

Hello Everybody, I've got a few questions.

I bought an RC-20XL loop machine, and I love it. I was wondering if there was any way to raise (or more importantly, lower) the playback volume of the looper WITHOUT having to bend over and touch the pedal.

Also, I've heard rumors that loud bass or guitar frequencies can actually trigger an electric drum pad. I plan on buying this, and was hoping to loop guitar, bass, and drums. Are these rumors true?

Thank you Thank you Thanks.

[ilovethesechord]

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[Deepak]

I don't think the RC-20XL supports any expansion except for unlatched footswitches, so it seems like your only options are:

1) Run longer cables and place it in arms reach.
2) Drop some coin on a Third Hand pedal.
3) Develop prehensile toes.

Option 1 is obviously worthless if you want to change the volume while playing.

[Bryan R. Tyler]

As said, there's no way to change the volume hands-free

As for the drums, I don't know of any units which can be triggered via volume alone. It may be possible- Roland uses a D-Beam on some of their units which basically allows an electric trigger to go off if you block light from entering a small screen- but I don't know of one offhand. Drum triggers can be set to pick up slight vibrations, but I'm not sure how you could set up your amp to trigger a drum trigger by say keeping an electric drum pad right next to your amp as you'd have little control over what vibrates the pad and what doesn't. Nearly any triggering you see is done via MIDI, which the RC-20XL doesn't have.

[EADG mx]

You could run a volume pedal.

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by EADG mx

You could run a volume pedal.

Yup, although you'd have to run it AFTER the looper if you wanted to lower its output volume, and you still couldn't raise it as you can by boosting the gain control on the looper. You could always keep the volume pedal a little less than full and then bring it up when needed.

[ilovethesechord]

so it looks like I'm gonna have to build some kind of foot-able contraption on top of the output dial?

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by ilovethesechord

so it looks like I'm gonna have to build some kind of foot-able contraption on top of the output dial?

Good luck building one There's a product (as mentioned) called the Third Hand which is basically an expression pedal with a cable you attach to a knob post, and using the expression pedal alters the dial position. No one around here has tried one that I've seen, and the few reviews for it on Harmony Central are mixed.

There's also a weird knob replacement thingie that has two or three long poles that stick out that you can turn with your foot. Forgot the name of it though. I'd be worried about breaking the post using it, but it may be just what you need.

[ilovethesechord]

Wow! thank you thankyou!!

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Here's a link to the knobs I mentioned:
http://www.optionknob.com/

[EADG mx]

So why do you want to be able to raise the volume hands free anyway?

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Anything you can get in a hands-free format is better IMO- hands-free=still playing. Raising and lowering the volume of loops when recording adds a great dynamic when looping (something I don't nearly enough). If you want to maintain your normal volume when playing, a boosting pedal (or the gain boost on the RC-20) would allow you raise it.

[ilovethesechord]

Originally Posted by EADG mx

So why do you want to be able to raise the volume hands free anyway?

I find that after layering several tracks it's hard to transition to the next "loop thing." this way i can fade out of a very complex loop, as apposed to an abrupt STOP! New bass line! kind of thing

[Deepak]

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

Here's a link to the knobs I mentioned:
http://www.optionknob.com/

Doesn't beat prehensile toes, but that's pretty cool and cost-effective.

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by ilovethesechord

I find that after layering several tracks it's hard to transition to the next "loop thing." this way i can fade out of a very complex loop, as apposed to an abrupt STOP! New bass line! kind of thing

The only problem with that is that you'd have to delete the loop and then bring the volume back up for the new one quickly as you can't affect the volume of the loop alone on the RC-20XL without affecting the bass' volume as well. I think you can on the RC-50, but I'm not positive.

[EADG mx]

Alright in that case, I'd go with that option knob or a volume pedal. The pedal would cost more but seem more durable/easier to use. I've been thinking of getting a volume pedal to run after my looper myself.

As for fading the loops and keeping your bass signal, I'm sure you could route it with some sort of A/B/Y system but that might be more headache than it's worth.

[Deepak]

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

The only problem with that is that you'd have to delete the loop and then bring the volume back up for the new one quickly as you can't affect the volume of the loop alone on the RC-20XL without affecting the bass' volume as well. I think you can on the RC-50, but I'm not positive.

I'm almost sure that the loop level and instrument level are independant on the RC-20XL too. I can check for certain when I get home.

[ilovethesechord]

Originally Posted by Deepak

I'm almost sure that the loop level and instrument level are independant on the RC-20XL too. I can check for certain when I get home.

Oh, they most definitely are

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Wow, I'm not sure how I forgot about that considering all the hours I used to spend with mine. My bad

[ilovethesechord]

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbas...3/8/535738.jpg

I think i'll try this....