Envelope Delay?

[ehque]

I was just thinking about it, and i think a envelope-controlled delay would be really cool (where the envelope controls the delay TIME). Anyone else think so, and is there a product out there like this?

[Swimming Bird]

It would be incredibly hard to use -- any time your dynamics changed even the slightest bit, previous notes would get pitch-shifted because the delay time would change.

Then again, that'd be pretty friggin cool, just not useful as an every song kind of pedal.

Hmm... I feel like you might be able to do that with the Moogerfooger Analog Delay. It has a CV input for the delay time, right? So instead of putting a CV expression pedal there, find an envelope follower that outputs a CV signal. Perhaps the Moogerfooger Low-Pass filter can do this?

[JohnDavisNYC]

Lexicon PCM41 and PCM42... really great effect for having the attack detune an instrument. i like it a lot on piano. i imagine that for general bass use it would be pretty close to useless, also, one would have to carry around a very collectible early digital rack delay with them....

john

[bongomania]

Not time, but the Toadworks Enveloope would allow you to control the wet/dry mix of delay, effectively controlling the amount of delay with your dynamics.

[ehque]

Originally Posted by bongomania

Not time, but the Toadworks Enveloope would allow you to control the wet/dry mix of delay, effectively controlling the amount of delay with your dynamics.

But technically, a delay ALREADY relies on your volume for the strength of its effect. Pluck harder, and the repeats are louder and last longer audibly. Im not sure how putting the Enveloope to a delay would affect it in any way a mix knob could not.

[superbassman2000]

this is pretty similar to what you are looking for:
http://www.backline-eng.com/FX-Tracker.html

[bongomania]

Originally Posted by ehque

But technically, a delay ALREADY relies on your volume for the strength of its effect. Pluck harder, and the repeats are louder and last longer audibly. Im not sure how putting the Enveloope to a delay would affect it in any way a mix knob could not.

With the Enveloope you would be able to dial the sensitivity so that the delay only became audible on your strongest OR quietest notes.

if i was a pedal builder, id probably go after this idea, as im pretty sure it hasnt been done yet. and id also go for an envelope distortion, in which playing dynamics would affect the distortion level, or the gain level doesn't have to be pre-set and can also respond to dynamics. or maybe even a sequence fuzz or something...

[bongomania]

It has been done already. But there's always room for more and better designs!

[speak_onion]

Symetrix 606 will do it (it's a copy of the Lexicon's that JohnDavis mentioned above), and this Zoom multieffect will do it:
http://www.noiseguide.com/product_in...ocessor_bfx708

[Colonel Monk]

Originally Posted by Swimming Bird

It would be incredibly hard to use -- any time your dynamics changed even the slightest bit, previous notes would get pitch-shifted because the delay time would change.

Then again, that'd be pretty friggin cool, just not useful as an every song kind of pedal.

Hmm... I feel like you might be able to do that with the Moogerfooger Analog Delay. It has a CV input for the delay time, right? So instead of putting a CV expression pedal there, find an envelope follower that outputs a CV signal. Perhaps the Moogerfooger Low-Pass filter can do this?

Yep, I've done this with my Foogertron, and it's weird in the way that's already been described. If this is the only reason for going Moog though, there's got to be cheaper ways to do it, as I happened to find an unreal deal on the moog delay and had not seen one before or since.....

There are alot of delay pedals with expression pedal inputs and maybe not so hard to mod most of them either. Find yourself a filter with envelope out and you're there.

out

[Swift713]

There's an effect on my old zoom pfx 9003 that does a sort of envelope delay. I forget what it's called and I've got the pfx on consignment right now but maybe I'll get it back and check it out again. I think they called it tap. Anyway, it gets out of hand really fast but on it's lowest settings it sounds like a really square wavey kind of synthy wah or filter.