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02-20-2009, 10:30 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Birmingham, England | | | Favorite Big Muff derivative
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Which muff clone are you using and which is your favorite??
At the moment I am using a Sanford and Sonny Bluebeard and I will soon be ordering a Fuzzrocious Mail order Muff
What are you guys using?? |
02-20-2009, 10:30 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds, UK | | | No contest for me, Swollen Pickle.
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02-20-2009, 10:42 AM
|  | Lookout! Here comes the Fuzz! Moderator | | Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Columbia, MO | | | Well...
Muff Derivative (Pedals with muff based design): Swollen Pickle, I guess the Pickle Pie B is probably the best I've tried. Not yet laid hands on a MKII yet. Supercollider is pretty good too.
Muff Clone (any generation): D*A*M Ram Head.
Current EHX Muff: Bass Big Muff |
02-20-2009, 10:44 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mississippi | | | GGG
but I have yet to try a Swollen Pickle |
02-20-2009, 11:16 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England | | | I vote for the Supercollider, but would love to compare it to the GGG Muff. I wonder how close to the Muff circuit the Supercollider actually is... I intend to get into pedal building so I will do a bit of examination! |
02-20-2009, 11:33 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vista, CA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by dannybuoy  I vote for the Supercollider, but would love to compare it to the GGG Muff. I wonder how close to the Muff circuit the Supercollider actually is... I intend to get into pedal building so I will do a bit of examination! | Based on some gut shots I saw, it looked very Muff-ish. I'm fairly sure he started with a Big Muff and changed the tonestack and added a mids switch/knob.
I did the same to my GGG-tuned Muff along with jumpering the first diode pair. That mellows out the pedal but the other changes give me boosted mids. I can still get that scooped tone by turning the mids knob down. Makes it a more versatile pedal. |
02-20-2009, 11:34 AM
|  | no really, smokemeth&hailsatan | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pueblo, CO | | | Muff based: Pickle Pie "b"
Actual EHX Muff: Bass Big Muff.
I really want to try out a GGG tuned muff. |
02-20-2009, 11:35 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vista, CA | | Oh yeah, here's the source I'm using for mods: http://www.student.ru.nl/r.kerkhof/T...Big%20Muff.htm
Towards the bottom his has a bunch of different tone stacks, including the Swollen Pickle. I used Duncan's TSC for a custom stack. |
02-20-2009, 12:15 PM
|  | Jack Grundle and Chad Choad
Builder for FUZZROCIOUS PEDALS | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Mount Laurel, NJ | | | I love love love Kerkhof's mods!
I am all about the GGG-Tuned version w/ two germaniums in the first clipping section.
The Triangle clone has to be the fuzziest, DOOMIEST muff ever though. It blows the other versions away IMHO for playing heavy music. I threw a mids boost switch in there for some flavor, too!
Looking forward to building a Triangle to Swollen specs when I get some cashola. |
02-20-2009, 12:34 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vista, CA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by rratajski I love love love Kerkhof's mods!
I am all about the GGG-Tuned version w/ two germaniums in the first clipping section.
The Triangle clone has to be the fuzziest, DOOMIEST muff ever though. It blows the other versions away IMHO for playing heavy music. I threw a mids boost switch in there for some flavor, too!
Looking forward to building a Triangle to Swollen specs when I get some cashola. | Germs in the first clipping stage, eh? I'll have to give that a try. Maybe I'll take out the jumpering and do that in mine. I haven't looked at the Triangle specs so I'll see how that differs from GGG's version. |
02-20-2009, 12:42 PM
| | Jack Grundle and Chad Choad
Builder for FUZZROCIOUS PEDALS | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Mount Laurel, NJ | | | No cap on C2.
Many different resistor values.
A couple cap differences.
A Nightcrawler BAMF comes out of my speakers when I use the Triangle for sure.
Give the Germs a shot, my friend. Smooth and brutal all in one, still has a good amount of mids! Still high gain with the tone rolled up. I tend to keep mine around 11:00. Keeps the bass, stays smooth w/ a little grit. |
02-20-2009, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dannybuoy I vote for the Supercollider, but would love to compare it to the GGG Muff. I wonder how close to the Muff circuit the Supercollider actually is... I intend to get into pedal building so I will do a bit of examination! | The Supercollider is more versitile but I love the brutality of the GGG. Really lookin forward to trying the triangle muff though (Ryan  ) |
02-20-2009, 12:45 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vista, CA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Bassenstien The Supercollider is more versitile but I love the brutality of the GGG. Really lookin forward to trying the triangle muff though (Ryan ) | Maybe he can add a mids knob for you and you'll have the versatility of the Supercollider. |
02-20-2009, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rcubed Maybe he can add a mids knob for you and you'll have the versatility of the Supercollider. | I thought about it but I think I would keep both on my board anyway. I love having different fuzz tones on my board. Plus I really tend to keep the mids cut on my Supercollider. |
02-20-2009, 12:50 PM
| | Jack Grundle and Chad Choad
Builder for FUZZROCIOUS PEDALS | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Mount Laurel, NJ | | The way I have the jawns wired in there wouldn't work for a pot in there.  . Just a switch for the time being...  Good call though! |
02-20-2009, 12:53 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vista, CA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by rratajski No cap on C2.
Many different resistor values.
A couple cap differences.
A Nightcrawler BAMF comes out of my speakers when I use the Triangle for sure.
Give the Germs a shot, my friend. Smooth and brutal all in one, still has a good amount of mids! Still high gain with the tone rolled up. I tend to keep mine around 11:00. Keeps the bass, stays smooth w/ a little grit. | Now that I'm looking at the schematic, I think taking out C2 would beef things up a bit. Those slightly larger values for C5 and C8 help as well.
I need to build up a Muff on my breadboard so I can try all those variations instead of changing parts out on my completed pedal.
Have you tried doing single diode clipping?
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02-20-2009, 01:59 PM
| | Jack Grundle and Chad Choad
Builder for FUZZROCIOUS PEDALS | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Mount Laurel, NJ | | | Nope, haven't tried it yet. You? |
02-20-2009, 05:16 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bowling Green, KY | | | Hmmm. I'm really thinking about getting my Bluebeard pulled around to Triangle specs. Is that doable?
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03-04-2009, 06:23 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: sheffield, england | | | i like my clone best i've never heard a distortion that has so much low end and sustain ;<
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