Few questions - OD pedal and DnB pedal and Wah

Agito · #1 07-19-2009, 07:27 PM

Hey TB, I tried to avoid this, But because there are so many new pedals on the market i suppose it's the best a thread for all my questions.

Anyhow, First question.

Overdrive pedal -

I really liked the ODB-3 Tone and sound, Im looking for something that will sound the same that will be true bypass, The point is, Im building a pedal board and i want my signal to get as much as good as it can get to the amp.

Any recommended OD pedals will be awesome.

Second, Wah pedal.

Im currently deciding which pedal I'll take,
EBS WahOne (The new one)
or
EBS Stan-Wah

i listened to both, The WahOne is more Squealch sound (Like the agent 00funk)
and the Stan-Wah is more Hi-Fi with much clarity but really really soft and sometimes transparent.

Any ideas on how to choose the pedal that will fit me will be great.

Third and last, pedal for DnB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIMsferpfhE
Here is the sound im looking for, The usual Dubstep/DnB
The low sound that always modulates, Which pedal(s) do i need to get similar sound?

That's all.
Thanks in advance

Danny.

bongomania · #2 07-19-2009, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agito

I really liked the ODB-3 Tone and sound, Im looking for something that will sound the same that will be true bypass, The point is, Im building a pedal board and i want my signal to get as much as good as it can get to the amp.
Any recommended OD pedals will be awesome.

One thing to note is the ODB-3 is really what most of us would call a "harsh distortion", not an overdrive, in spite of what Boss calls it. So if you want something that sounds like the ODB-3, then you'll want to do a search on "distortion" rather than "overdrive".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agito

Second, Wah pedal.
Im currently deciding which pedal I'll take,
...Any ideas on how to choose the pedal that will fit me will be great.

You haven't told us what you like, so how can we guess which one will fit you?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agito

Here is the sound im looking for, The usual Dubstep/DnB
The low sound that always modulates, Which pedal(s) do i need to get similar sound?

We have a big, extensive thread going on right now, titled "that dubstep wobble". Check it out.

Agito · #3 07-19-2009, 08:19 PM

i listened to a Distortion yesterday (Well kinda today its 5am here but nvm that) and it had so much background noise (Im talking about the EBS MetalDrive) and because of that i didnt really liked it (Though it sounded good).

I checked pretty quick the Fulltone Mosfet because i was in a hurry, And it was kinda soft but ok somehow, Though the price is too high, So i guess not.

The question is, Is there any similar pedals like the ODB-3 or any Mod kit that will make the ODB True bypass...

Second- The Wah subject

I can't tell what i really like, I don't have much experience with Wah but(!)
I meant on how can i choose one, Like is there any questions i can confront with and understand what will suit me the best.

And about the dubstep thread, Ill check it out now.

Thanks.

Jared Lash · #4 07-19-2009, 08:27 PM

Have you tried an ODB-3 or just heard clips? It's a pretty harsh and industrial sounding distortion/fuzz and there aren't many pedals that sound like it.

As for EBS wahs, I don't think the StanWah is even out yet is it? I know it should be, but they've pushed it back a few times. Anyway, it really just depends on the sound you want.

On the dubstep stuff.

Here's Bond's pedalboard:

I believe that's
Whammy IV
Boss LS-2
Expression Pedal
Moog Low Pass
Moog Freq Box
SansAmp (?)
Wooly Mammoth
Boss OC-2
Line6 FM-4
Bass Micro Synth
Boss TU-2 (?)

But I wonder if he's also got rackmount and/or MIDI gear.

Wasted Bassist · #5 07-19-2009, 08:35 PM

If you want your board to be all TB (not always the best choice, but that's a whole nother thread) just go pick up a true bypass loop. I personally don't mind the bypass of the ODB-3 all that much (I use 2). In personal practice, the difference is definately noticable. In a band mix, the difference can be EQ'd out with a few touches.

Agito · #6 07-19-2009, 08:50 PM

The Stan-Wah is already out, I tested it yesterday as well with the WahOne but as i said i was short on time, So i only got a MultiComp and a Pedaltrain 2.

Anyhow, The ODB sounds like a distortion, But if you will play enough with the pedal it will act as overdrive and overall is an overdrive.
The question is if my signal will go clean with the Buffered bypass the Boss offers or is there any pedals that sound similar and kinda better.

Now, About the wah pedals, I have the chance to test both.
What questions should i think off and any specifications and so on.
Im basically looking for funky sound, Not really a "rock-wah" but, I dont want it to be too funky, So the sound won't get lost (the agent is enough :P)

And woah- Dubstep effects are way too much...
I was thinking about 2-3 pedals that do the job, But it seems it's a lot more then 2-3 or even 4-5 pedals...

FreaqyFrequency · #7 07-19-2009, 08:52 PM

Off of his board, I see another expression pedal and an Eventide ModFactor.

Jared Lash · #8 07-19-2009, 08:56 PM

If I had to pick THE most important pedals for doing electronica stuff it would be an OC-2, a gated fuzz (Wooly Mammoth usually) and a Moog LPF.

As for wahs, I've never tried any EBS wah, let alone two of them, so I'm no help. But I CAN recommend the Wilson 12 pos Q Wah and Ibanez Weeping Demon for wahs that can do funk and rock stuff. The Dunlop 105q is a great sounding pedal, but has a poor bypass and is super funky so it may not be for you.

Even blended down I'd never call the Boss an overdrive, but semantics aside, if you like that tone and want true bypass I'd recommend a TBP loop.

Agito · #9 07-19-2009, 08:59 PM

TBP Loop is an overdrive right? (Sounds like a looper :P)
where can i get it? I need shipment to Israel...
And is there any sound samples?

And last but not least (For now)

Any stuff i need to look for when im testing the Wahs? (Yeah, I know im kinda saying same thing over and over, But i don't have much experience in effects, My first pedalboard)

Jared Lash · #10 07-19-2009, 09:04 PM

Not a looper, a LOOP.

The idea is that if you have some tone sucking pedals, to put them in their own loop(s) which are true bypass.

http://www.loop-master.com/ is one site to check out.

You can find a single loop all the way up to eight or more loops. Here's a two loop setup.

I considered getting one for my new dub board because it has a number of older pedals with less than perfect bypass but then I realized that most of those pedals would be on all the time anyway.

Wasted Bassist · #11 07-19-2009, 09:05 PM

TBP loop in not an effect...

Check out loop-master.com to read up on its' functions.

Agito · #12 07-19-2009, 09:26 PM

I think I'll just buy something similar to the ODB, Dont want to mess around with orders and so on.

So, any recommendations :P?

nad · #13 07-19-2009, 10:17 PM

Why not just keep using the ODB-3 if you like it? I never found the Boss bypass to be all that terrible. I would build your pedalboard first, then decide if said bypass is really all that bad, and go from there with a looper, mod, or new pedal. True bypass can lead to tone suck as well dontchaknow.

rnilson · #14 07-19-2009, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBigO

If I had to pick THE most important pedals for doing electronica stuff it would be an OC-2, a gated fuzz (Wooly Mammoth usually) and a Moog LPF.

Ding, Ding, Ding....WE HAVE A WINNER!

Agito · #15 07-19-2009, 10:51 PM

I dont have it yet, But i don't want to find myself buying and selling pedals.
I'm willing to have a pedalboard that i am 100% satisfied.

And why the tone will suck if all the pedalboard will be true bypass, Doesn't it mean if it's all true bypass that it is like connecting straight to amp?

Smurf-o-Deth · #16 07-19-2009, 11:54 PM

Yes, but you have to realize that the signal is passing through a lot of cable length when every pedal is TBP. Since you appear to play a passive instrument, this can have an adverse effect on the integrity of your tone. IIRC the output from a passive instrument begins to degrade after ten feet or so of cabling--my numbers may be off a bit--while active instruments maintain tone integrity for much longer runs, as the active preamp/pickups buffer the signal from the start. This is why many guitarists use a signal buffer at the start of their chain (whether through a buffered-bypass pedal, or through a pedal built strictly to buffer), to maintain signal integrity through a long chain of effects. If you plan on having a small board, this will in all likelihood be of negligible impact; however, if you run a long chain, it could be quite noticeable.

Edit: is that my second post today that is both on-topic and at least somewhat informative? What the hell is wrong with me?

Agito · #17 07-20-2009, 06:06 AM

Basically i plan on a board with maximum 10+- pedals, So i don't think length would be the problem, BUT, You say buffered increase the output, Am i correct?

So, How good or bad is the ODB buffer?

Synplicity · #18 07-20-2009, 06:09 AM

use a fretless for extra sexyness dubbbbb

AleemRadunzel · #19 07-20-2009, 06:19 AM

i tried my Djs fretless bass. and my syb3 just laughed at me. it is mean. =(.

fightthepower · #20 07-20-2009, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agito

Basically i plan on a board with maximum 10+- pedals, So i don't think length would be the problem, BUT, You say buffered increase the output, Am i correct?

So, How good or bad is the ODB buffer?

They're not bad. In a chain of up to 10 pedals, with most or all of them being TB, the ODB will work to preserve your tone and signal level, and overall have a positive impact on your tone.

Any tone sucking it may or may not do will not be at all noticeable with the mix with other instruments. Depending on your rig, eq, and ears, you may or may not notice any tone suck yourself. Either way it is minimal and I don't mind it-- Though I wouldn't want a board of all buffered boss pedals in series, I welcome the boss buffer in my chain.