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10-29-2008, 11:17 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Madison, WI | | | Filter w/fuzz in effects loop = synth?
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Hi, I'm looking at Meatball clones (the Grinder or MeatWad), but I may want a synth instead, so I gotta know: Meatball/clone owners -- can you get synth sounds (BMS, G5 and/or Deep Impact-like) with a fuzz in your filter's effect loop?
Thanks,
Al |
10-29-2008, 11:27 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: York, UK | | | Stick an octave pedal in the loop too and yeah, you can get some great sounds.
Make it a gated fuzz though (Woolly Mammoth, Brown Dog, Hairy Balls, etc.), if you want it to sound a bit more authentic. I use a Robot Factory Pulse Synth as a fuzz which does the trick quite nicely.
Bear in mind though that you could just get a Bass Micro Synth for a lot less money. |
10-29-2008, 12:02 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Madison, WI | | | Thanks kevteop. It's only about a $30 difference (for the MeatWad at least) as I just rearranged my board again and have a bunch of pedals sitting around. Including an MXR Blue Box and a Digitech Whammy IV.
I still want to use it as an envelope filter is the thing. I guess there's another question: can the BMS act like a good, funky envelope filter? |
10-29-2008, 12:25 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: York, UK | | | Not really. It behaves quite differently to an envelope-following filter. It probably couldn't be your only filter.
If you think you'll have a use for a versatile filter you could do a lot worse than buy a Meatball clone. I am very happy with my Meatwad. |
10-29-2008, 01:15 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Queens, NY | | | As a Pulse Synth owner and former Meatwad owner (envelope filters are not for me), I will agree wholeheartedly with everything kevteop has to say. |
10-29-2008, 03:51 PM
|  | no really, smokemeth&hailsatan | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pueblo, CO | | Here's a clip I recorded with a MessDrive Hybrid+ in the effects loop of an EHX Qtron+ into a EHX SMMH. It starts with a looped riff going, and then moves into me noodling mindlessly over that riff. You can tell when the messdrive kicks in with the Qtron. In the middle of it I turn off the loop and the delay. Then I kick it back on later on. http://media.putfile.com/Qtron-MessDrive-SMMWH |
10-29-2008, 04:31 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: York, UK | | | If I get a chance tomorrow I'll record a few samples of the BMS, G5 and the Meatwad with a couple of different toys in the loop. There's so many potential settings though it will have to be a limited offering! |
10-29-2008, 07:50 PM
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Accessories Sales Associate, Guitar Center Rancho Cucamonga, CA | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Upland, California | | That's a pretty awesome sound! I'll have to get around to some clips of the various combos that I have for synthy fun.  |
10-29-2008, 11:39 PM
|  | prefers electric miles davis | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA | | | you don't necessarily need the loop either.
i've gotten away with octaver->fuzz->filter |
10-29-2008, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by markjazzbassist  you don't necessarily need the loop either.
i've gotten away with octaver->fuzz->filter | +1 That's my setup. |
10-30-2008, 06:28 AM
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got a few different things going on there now, though... but oct>fuzz>filter is the way to go for synthyness, although you lose envelope tracking ability, so in that situation, you would want a filter with a loop, and put the octave and fuzz in the loop... that is definitely an issue, losing the ability to have envelope sounds, if that is important to you.
John |
10-30-2008, 11:24 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Columbia, MO | | unless it's foot controlled (filter)... John, aren't you using your MF with an expression pedal?
what I've discovered is very fun and cheap - OC-2 before my Korg G5. The G5 has (besides great synths) some nice distortion/fuzz sounds (and an envelope filter, which is OK... good enough for my needs anyway). So, with these two (and Korg's programability), I get all kinds of nasty sounds... I added an expression pedal which really opens up a whole new world...
the trick here is to obtain a G5. I was lucky, but I'm also selling mine (if anyone from EU is interested, it's on eBay). I'm not saying this to advertise it (maybe a little), I just want this lovely piece of equipment to go to a bass player, not some kind of collector or something. this thing is designed to be used live and while I don't play such music, I know someone does.
anyway, what also works is a phaser (or maybe an auto-wah (LFO controlled), but I never tried that). my guitarist is actually using his foot controlled phaser in places where he used to use his wah-wah pedal  ) it's a different sound, but still similar in a way...
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10-30-2008, 02:00 PM
| | | | gennerally, a fuzz in the filter loop (or even set correctly before the filter in your chain) will sound a lot like a synth pedal.
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10-30-2008, 07:59 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ottawa and its Environs. | | | BMS can be used as an amazing envelope filter on its own. Keep the attack delay low and only use the 'guitar' voicing for just envelope (the envelope section and the trigger work the envelope filter this way)
However...you may need to have it up on a stand running all the time with a loop in/out switch to save bending over all the time for the various settings this pedal can produce.
It's an intensely versatile pedal. I wish it had LFO/modulation...but then again that's a great excuse to get more toys.
It's my favourite synth. |
10-30-2008, 08:22 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego, California | | Quote:
Originally Posted by newbold BMS can be used as an amazing envelope filter on its own. Keep the attack delay low and only use the 'guitar' voicing for just envelope (the envelope section and the trigger work the envelope filter this way)
| +1 it's a matter of playing with the trigger. No harder than adjusting gain on a q-tron/meatball/whatever. |
10-31-2008, 09:16 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Madison, WI | | | Can either the Grinder or the Meatwad side-chain trigger? I suppose you could do this with any effect that has a loop, but do either of them do this (or have this as a custom option)?
Also, I don't suppose anyone has a Grinder yet, but I'm looking forward to a direct comparison between it and the Meatwad. |
10-31-2008, 11:43 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: York, UK | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Swimming Bird Can either the Grinder or the Meatwad side-chain trigger? I suppose you could do this with any effect that has a loop, but do either of them do this (or have this as a custom option)? | You mean giving providing the envelope from another instrument source? The Meatwad can (optionally) have an extra socket on it to do this, but you could instead just plug whatever envelope sound source you like into the IN, put your bass in the loop RTN and that will do the same job. | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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