Full, lush sound - Analog delay or reverb?

[rratajski]

Here's my setup:
Rickenbacker 4003 - bridge pickup only, full tone
Ampeg SVT Classic 300w head
Ampeg SVT 6x10

I throw the setup on the head to full bass, 9 treble, full mids on setting 5. Super heavy/bright settings...

So...I want to achieve a full, lush sound...especially when using my tremolo and HOG.

I was leaning towards an analog delay like Malekko's Dark 300...then Chris (Whoatherechunk) reminded me about the Holy Grail Plus...

I am using a GGG Digital Delay, but want something darker and more full w/ a Rick. I sold my Holiest Grail b/c I was sick of the popping when I switched reverb channels and banks...unacceptable. I've sold both my Line 6 DL4s b/c I wanted to downsize...I am not interested in chorus. I can get that if I want w/ my PS-3...

I want to stay under $200. Analog delay or reverb? Suggestions please.
Remember...lush, full...under $200.

BTW - The advanced search won't allow "analog delay reverb" to be searched. I went a few pages in and haven't seen this discussion lately. Thanks!

[SteveC]

To fill out sound I would say reverb.

[nad]

Originally Posted by rratajski

So...I want to achieve a full, lush sound...

I was leaning towards an analog delay like Malekko's Dark 300...

I want to stay under $200.

To me, you've already discovered what you need.

I'm more of a trailing delay / self-oscillation dude, but the 300 Dark is a great reverb unit.

[rratajski]

Originally Posted by SteveC

To fill out sound I would say reverb.

Suggestions?

Support for the Holy Grail Plus? Other verb?

[rratajski]

So...1 for reverb, 1 for analog delay.

Anyone else want to chime in on this?

[Mark Olson]

I've tried delays, and I've tried reverbs, and personally I would prefer an analog delay. I use an MXR Carbon Copy that sounds full and lush in a way my Line 6 DL-4 for example couldn't.

[bassteban]

I love analog delay AND reverb, though not so much simultaneously(especially on bass in the semi-traditional role).
I have my delay *needs* covered nicely; if I could afford/justify a separate dedicated reverb(or faux-reverb via yet another delay)I'd likely look for some funky old standalone spring reverb unit.

[whoatherechunk]

i've always thought the line 6 verbzilla sounded rad based on the samples......but have never tried it in person....arghh.

how about the mxr carbon copy.....haven't tried it in person...arghhh but it might get you to your destination for a relatively inexpensive price for a high quality analog delay.

enough of "my suggestions" haha. i need to read more than say more on this post!

[SnakeAnthony]

Boss RV-3.

All the cool kids are using them. Very lush (to my ears), with a ton of Reverb, Delay, and Combo tones at hand. Can be had on the 'bay for under $150.

[whoatherechunk]

one reverb i can say that i absolutely hated was the boss rv-5........most sterile, coldest, unusable piece of junk i have ever used. don't flame me ....that's just my opinion....that's why i probably wont ever try the rv-3.

[SnakeAnthony]

Originally Posted by whoatherechunk

one reverb i can say that i absolutely hated was the boss rv-5........most sterile, coldest, unusable piece of junk i have ever used. don't flame me ....that's just my opinion....that's why i probably wont ever try the rv-3.

I agree with you, but you shouldn't rule out the RV-3. It wins over most any pedal reverb I've ever encountered, and I love the Delay/Reverb modes. Super lush.

[mattq]

i've heard much better things about the rv-3 than the 5. my guitar player friend who worships the tone gods likes it way better. one of the main reasons for that is that you can dial the mix knob so that it's maxed at 100% reverb as opposed to split 50/50. my other guitar player friend has the rv-5, and i hate its tone. WAY too bright. that being said, i love my carbon copy. it's the perfect delay tone for me. super full without getting too muddy

[rratajski]

So, no people at this point who are digging the Holy Grail Plus?

I did get to try the RV-3 and wasn't completely sold on it. Maybe I'll try it again next week at practice w/ it in my true bypass loop.

[Joe P]

Originally Posted by bassteban

I love analog delay AND reverb, though not so much simultaneously(especially on bass in the semi-traditional role).
I have my delay *needs* covered nicely; if I could afford/justify a separate dedicated reverb(or faux-reverb via yet another delay)...

I've been really pleased with the Boss RE-20. I know you said 'under two-hundred', but...

I find myself more and more using the echo as reverb. The reason I copied Bassteban's post is because it was said "..reverb (or faux reverb via yet another delay)". The RE-20 offers one, two or three head playback ('multi-tap delay'), so I find myself using various head combinations for different reverb flavors.

This method also gives me control over the tone - via bass and treble controls - and the decay time - via the regen control. The reverb is preset, but it's great on bass because it cuts highs and lows considerably - in a nice analog spring tank kind of way - so it sits nicely with the bass playing.

I use the reverb section more for either my 'guitar-plus-bass' sound (using an LS-2 line switcher/mixer, a POG, and a Metal Muff) - both echo and 'verb, in that case - also for pick playing especially Surf songs - usually just the 'verb; with no, or little echo.

Joe

[rratajski]

So, now my head's swimming thinking about a Malekko 300 Dark vs. Holiest Grail Plus or Boss RV-3 orrrrrrrr Boss RE-20.

I like the idea of having tone flexibility, echo, verb and what not w/ the RE-20, buuuuuuut analog delay is analog delay and digital can't beat it...

Ugh...decisions....money and decisions...

[Rav]

Originally Posted by whoatherechunk

one reverb i can say that i absolutely hated was the boss rv-5........most sterile, coldest, unusable piece of junk i have ever used. don't flame me ....that's just my opinion....that's why i probably wont ever try the rv-3.

The RV-5 Was a total pile of junk. The RV-3 was quite possibly the best pedal ever made with a boss logo on it.

RV-3 If you can find one.

If not. MXR carbon copy if you want delay or EBS dynaverb if you want reverb.

-Rav

[jumbo_steelie]

Originally Posted by SnakeAnthony

I agree with you, but you shouldn't rule out the RV-3. It wins over most any pedal reverb I've ever encountered, and I love the Delay/Reverb modes. Super lush.

+1 I just picked one up on ebay for $106 USD shipped. Awesome sounding pedal!! Delay + Reverb sounds amazing. Can't wait to use it in a jam environment

[whoatherechunk]

i still want some insight on the holy grail plus. anyone?

[bassteban]

Same here.

[rratajski]

I haven't given up on an analog delay (Malekko or MXR), buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut I bought the Holy Grail Plus to try out.
I'll report back!

If I'm not into it, it will be on the for sale jawn.