A fuzz that... gurgles?

[icarussmicarus]

Clearly there is plenty of discussion on fuzz pedals but i don't feel i have quite found the one for me, mostly because i am finding it difficult to describe the sound I'm after.

For the record i really like my russian muff, i use it more than any pedal on my board despite it being the cheapest by far, but its lacking that sustained gurgly sound i have in my head.

Its lovely and saturated with a boo-yeah mo****a roundhouse kick, but its lacks the tail end of a burp. You know that sound bur-ur-ur-ur.

I think Timmy C gets it every now and then, like in the Audioslave song 'What You Are' - the final note is sustained and you get a chance to hear it ring. Whatever that sound is, i want it.

Its almost like a crackling sound, like the note is still active despite not being played.

I'm having trouble putting this into words, so please help me out.

[projectMalamute]

Are you thinking of some kind of waveshaping effect? Something like what you hear in 'Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots' maybe?

[icarussmicarus]

No, that sounds more like the ball park of an envelope filter, whilst thats a great bassline/sound/song thats not what im after.

It's defiantly a fuzz sound

[bigchiefbc]

It almost sounds like you're looking for an oscillating fuzz. I know that the effector13 Truly Beautiful Disaster has a feedback loop, so you get an oscillating, pulsating fuzz. Is that what you're after?

[Higgie]

No...A feedback loop isn't what he's after. I know the sound he is describing, and I honestly can't put it into words. I'm at work at the moment, but when I get home I will have a closer listen, and see what I can make out.

[icarussmicarus]

I have a barge VBF2 and i've played around with the russian muff through the feedback loop and its not what im looking for. Thats is more of a noise-esque, hella sick non-musical bass shriek. Cool.

But not that sound im looking for.

[icarussmicarus]

Here's a youbtube thing of that song Audioslave song i mentioned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7IpB...eature=related

It's just the song to a picture, but you get a good listen to the effect in the bridge, at about 2:30 and also right at the very end, they let the final note ring and you hear that sexy sustaining fuzz i crave.

[Jared Lash]

The end of "What You Are" just sounds like a heavy distortion (probably Commerford's "secret" dirt box) wavering a bit as the last note fades out. A lot of heavy distortions or fuzzes will fade in and out like that when letting an open low note ring. Especially an open B which I believe is the last note of that song. It's a flaw of the pedal, but serves as a nice effect in this case.

Not that the OP brought them up, but in Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots, it depends on which song you are talking about. In Part I it first sounded like a fuzz into an envelope filter (or vice versa) but if you keep listening, the filter isn't on auto or dynamic controlled, so my guess is that it's a manual wah with a bass fuzz.

In Yoshimi Part II, it sounds pretty clearly like a synth.

[greenboy]

Might not be in the sound you are attempting to convey, but when I hear gurgle, I think phaser. In conjunction with distortion or fuzz before it, you get a more exaggerated phase, with phaser first it tames the peakiness slightly.

[Jared Lash]

Ok, I was focusing on the last note of the song (which is just a sustained open B) but in the break (at 2:30) Timmy is using his wah into his dirt box for that effect. He uses a Dunlop 105q.

[projectMalamute]

Originally Posted by TheBigO

The end of "What You Are" just sounds like a heavy distortion (probably Commerford's "secret" dirt box) wavering a bit as the last note fades out. A lot of heavy distortions or fuzzes will fade in and out like that when letting an open low note ring. Especially an open B which I believe is the last note of that song. It's a flaw of the pedal, but serves as a nice effect in this case.

Not that the OP brought them up, but in Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots, it depends on which song you are talking about. In Part I it first sounded like a fuzz into an envelope filter (or vice versa) but if you keep listening, the filter isn't on auto or dynamic controlled, so my guess is that it's a manual wah with a bass fuzz.

In Yoshimi Part II, it sounds pretty clearly like a synth.

It's some kinda pedal that's not even supposed to be distortion being overdriven, I forget exactly what now. What you are hearing is waveshaping with a vaguely sinusoidal transfer function. Which I'm pretty sure is what most of those synth-bass pedals are doing as well.

[icarussmicarus]

Well if it is just a heavy distortion then please give me some ideas, since my very saturated russian muff makes a completely different sound when cranked and sustained.

[Jared Lash]

It's not a sound I've tried to get, so I can't point you in the direction of the exact box. Not to mention, Commerford built his distortion himself and seems to be fairly secretive about his tone. From what I've read, he built the first version of the pedal himself using parts from a wah pedal.

That said, there's a reason why the Muff doesn't capture that sound. It's a smooth fuzz which retains the low end well and is notoriously mid-scooped. I think you need to be looking at guitar overdrives/distortions. A good starting point might be the Marshall Guv'nor, which he used on the first Rage album. I've never tried it myself, and it's long since left his pedal board, but it might give you an idea of where he went with his sound.

Bear in mind also that his sound is largely predicated on his amp setup, moreso than his pedalboard. Having a clean and dirty channel, and a one of a kind distortion will make it hard to replicate it exactly.

But if you are just looking to get that same sputtering sound, I think a trip to the music store and some time overdriving guitar dirt boxes is your best bet.

[Swimming Bird]

All you have to do is crank the sustain on your Russian BMP to get that awesome fuzz trail. Where is that normally set on yours? This can ruin the rest of the tone by over-compressing it...

+1 for the low note theory though, I think that's at least half of it. Has to do with the frequency of the sound, so the lower/slower the frequency, the weirder it gets when you let it ring. That said you can do it artificially on high notes by putting a medium speed oscillator (I use a flanger) before the fuzz.

[apartment0824]

Andrew Weiss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riAwR1jY4HA

I'm trying to get that gurgling after effect too...

[metalmariachi]

You might be able to get that sound from one of Devi Ever's fuzzes.
Possibly the Hyperion or Aenima, both do have a long gurgling (to me) decay.


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[The Lurker]

Originally Posted by TheBigO

The end of "What You Are" just sounds like a heavy distortion (probably Commerford's "secret" dirt box) wavering a bit as the last note fades out. A lot of heavy distortions or fuzzes will fade in and out like that when letting an open low note ring. Especially an open B which I believe is the last note of that song. It's a flaw of the pedal, but serves as a nice effect in this case.

I have noticed this too...

and when all else fails, a slight nudge of a wah doesn't hurt.

[Kenny Allyn]

Quote from one of my guitar players from last week ...

"OK what the hell was that watery sound on the bass"

I listened to the Audioslave clip and it is very close what I was getting. It's (atleast for me) an interaction between pedals.

EBS Unichorus set to PM (pitch modulation) depth at 12 oclock, rate at about 7 oc.

Voodoo Lab Micro Vibe, Intensity set to between 1 and 2 oc, Speed very slow, at about 7 oc, on the dial.

This sets up an interplay between the pitch and the phase-sweep of the Vibe. Now let me add here that the Vibe is working on slightly reduced voltage via a SAG feed from the power supply this lowers the intensity of the Vibes internal light bulb as it shines on the photocell and gives a much more subtle watery swoosh to the Vibe.

On to the distortion ... a Roger Mayer Voodoo Bass set to a mild overdrive, but the other pedals set up the rich harmonic content going into it. Again sending less voltage to the Voodoo Bass causes a slight uneveness to the sound and a premature clipping of the top of the sinewave, not unlike what you hear on some Hendix stuff as the old batteries loose voltage feeding the circuit. Eric Johnson uses this effect also.

Also kicking on mild compression at the begining of this chain will heighten the overall effect.

Whew ... long definition but that will give you a very liquid sound and that odd decay as the note dies out.

No telling how Tim C. did it, and your results using differnt pedal setups will change the interaction, that goes without saying.

Damn ... I feel almost like Gene Wilder in Young Frankenstein reading the book on how to create the monster ... which ends "And that's how I did it" ... Then Gene looks up and exclaims "It could work!"

Oh ... Sorry no clips, don't have that capability here.

... Here is the actual board and the settings in the photo are close http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showth...12#post5136012

[DeepBass9]

this, perhaps:

http://www.deviever.com/fx/cherrypop/index.html

[Hookus]

Just sounds like a simple fuzz pedal to me. I have 4 different simple fuzzes and they all can be made to sound similar on low notes. Just has to do with how the fuzz circuit was built.

Just my .02