Gah totally confused about my PB

[Agito]

Hey TB, Yeah i kinda searched and i read a lot but im still clueless...

I talk about my pedalboard.

Basically, The pedalboard needs to be arranged most likely to crazy funk music

The effects are
EBS SC Wah
CS Agent00Funk
EBS MultiComp
MXR Bass Fuzz
EBS ValveDrive
Boss CEB-3
(Soon- Boss DD-3, ODB-3 and MXR Octaver Deluxe)

But for now i need to arrange the ones i have

Well, Why am i asking you and not doing it my self?
First, I don't have a bass amp to test it
2nd, Im trying this with a guitar and not a bass
3rd, On the guitar amp the Wah sounds like it cuts (Like a chainsaw) The fuzz

and 4th: "Why don't you try to arrange it on the guitar?"
Cuz its freaking hot and i dont have an air conditioner in my room, So moving effects plugging and unplugging is not an easy job like it supposed to be.

Anyhow, Any tips on organization of the pedalboard or a direction of doing so will be great, Read on the internet but from what i organized and heard it sounds kinda bad (And maybe not, Didn't test on bass)

Thanks in advance.

[irvinz]

Originally Posted by Agito

3rd, On the guitar amp the Wah sounds like it cuts (Like a chainsaw) The fuzz

and 4th: "Why don't you try to arrange it on the guitar?"
Cuz its freaking hot and i dont have an air conditioner in my room, So moving effects plugging and unplugging is not an easy job like it supposed to be.

to the 3rd... isnt that a good thing? =)

to the 4th.... so you are a bum? no one said it was easy.. just fun

[irvinz]

=)

kidding.

this is what i would do in order

EBS ValveDrive
EBS SC Wah
MXR Bass Fuzz
CS Agent00Funk
Boss CEB-3
EBS MultiComp

or switch around the wah and fuzz....

[Agito]

Forgot to mention, I'm using the ValveDrive more as a warming preamp. (Though im using it as Overdrive as well...)

and woah, This setting is definitely not written in the "Interwebz" (Meant to say in the books but, You know... )

[irvinz]

which setting?

[Agito]

The one u told me.

Usually, Wah's and envelops go first
Then MultiComp (Even one in the start of the chain before the wah)
Dirt boxes
and then chorus at the end

That's at least what people tell me and what i have learnt..

[irvinz]

u've been listening to too many guitarist. =)
i would usually tell people to use their ears and use whatever is best for them. we all use different combos.

i guess if you wanted to you could keep the comp after the wah and fuzzes in whatever way you had put them.. but putting a fuzz after the filters opens up the filters alot more. and if that is what you want, then let it work for you =)

i generally like some dirt infront, at probably one at the back to emulate hitting a tube preamp.... but thats just me.

[irvinz]

putting the comp would depend on what you want to use the compressor for too... to cut out sloppy playing, or even out spikes from your filter etc... or even squashing up your dirt boxes and/or boosting your signal

[dannybuoy]

First rule is, there are no rules. Filters/wahs can go first, and an envelope filter will get it's best triggering that way. But they also sound good after fuzz. What you can try is splitting your signal before the first pedal and sending a clean signal to the envelope input on the 00Funk. That way you can filter the fuzzed signal but have the clean sound (which is less squashed) control the filter. Filter/wah into an overdrive sounds good, so that the peaks get slightly distorted.

It's usually a good idea to put compression after any kind of envelope controleld effects. You don't want to squash the signal going in as it limits your envelope control, and also this way helps to tame the resonant peaks of the filter.

[Agito]

I use the comp to even spikes and improve the sound of the bass (Gives more sustain and more pro sound - Kinda boost, That's at least how i hear the comp alone)

And the funny thing is, Bass players and someone that professional in effects and all suggested me, Though they said this can change and so on...

So yeah...

[Agito]

What do you mean by splitting the signal from the first pedal?

[irvinz]

rule number one: there is no rules (according to dannybouy)

rule number two: have a bass amp so you can experiment =)
or buy a headphone amp?

[Agito]

I hope i'll get my markbass from repair already, So much time has passed since i last seen him

[dannybuoy]

Originally Posted by Agito

What do you mean by splitting the signal from the first pedal?

You can either use a special splitter cable, a pedal with 2 outputs (e.g. Boss tuner), or even a splitter like this:



I drew this digram for someone a while back, substitue the brown pedal on the right for your fuzz:



Don't worry about the fact that it looks like you're sending 2 inputs into the fuzz, becuase it's just a splitter and it doesn't matter what shape the splitter is or if it's on the cable or directly on the jack socket!

(Note for users of Chunk Systems pedals - the Brown Dog cuts out the envelope output when in bypass mode, meaning that when you hook up these 2 pedals using the envelope sockets as designed, you cannot use the filter by itself. I suggested to someone that they use a splitter to overcome this as shown above)

[Agito]

i lol'd at the bass
So what should be my setting beside the thing with the bass and the fuzz?

The ValveDrive functions as Clean and overdrive...

[Agito]

Damn i'm going crazy here
I don't know how the sequence should go, And i don't have a way to check it /cry

[dannybuoy]

Get a bass, get an amp, experiment! Otherwise set it up any old way, for there is no 'right' way, only what sounds best for you.

[Agito]

Ok for now i decided

Fuzz > ValveDrive > Wah > Envelope filter (Or Envelope to Wah if im going to use both?)

Now, I don't know what about the chorus and the Comp... Im testing it now with a guitar (I hope it will sound the same as i hear now- Like same filter and same Wah..)

[Mo'Phat]

Valvedrive - Fuzz - Env - Wah - Comp - Chorus.

That's what I'd do. You say you use the Valvedrive as a 'warming preamp', that's why I'd put it first. I prefer all OD's, Distortions, and Fuzz before the Filters/Wah's because I think it's a much more pronounced effect...then after all the high gain/volume spiky things, you put the compressor to smooth it all out before the chorus.

I prefer the compressor after the envelope filter because I have much more control over the attack, so the envelope is much more sensitive to my playing and not being governed by the compressor output signal.

Anyway, good luck.

[Agito]

K, I have good news.
The amp is going to arrive soon
I'll test the Fuzz and the ValveDrive who's before who
Same with the MultiComp (After the FunkChain or before?)
And Chorus at the end :P

Now, If i'll get a BOSS-DD3 Where it is recommended to place him?