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06-05-2008, 08:11 PM
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I'm looking to acquire a fuzz that sounds like that used by Rutherford on "Lamb lies down" and "cage"...
I did a bit of research and came up rather empty...can anyone recommend a fuzz that fits the bill?
There are so many great pedals out there, and I haven't used a fuzz at all. I do have a Fulltone Mosfet BassDrive, but that doesn't really come near the sound I'm seeking.
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06-05-2008, 09:01 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: The Berkshires, Ma | | | Good question, that was a nice tone he got. I had sort of assumed it was a real tube amp or maybe a sansamp because it's so tight and solid. |
06-05-2008, 09:11 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX | | | Are you using a double neck Rickenbacker? I'm sure that had a great deal to do with the sound.
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06-06-2008, 11:29 AM
| | Working Class Hero | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by sonicvi  Are you using a double neck Rickenbacker? I'm sure that had a great deal to do with the sound. |
I'm really talking about the fuzz sound itself. Though the bass used does play a part, the fuzz type is very distinctive. From what I've read, it is listed as a "Marshall fuzz". Through the years they've produced several models though, so I'm trying to find out if someone has been able to nail the sound. I really don't care if it's the same pedal... a clone or different make would be fine.
For the record Rutherford did not play a Rickenbacker on Lamb. He used a Microfret 6-string bass. |
06-06-2008, 11:37 AM
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06-06-2008, 07:51 PM
| | Working Class Hero | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by alexsga just the dirt channel on the old hiwatts he was using...i found an old '72 video where he was using 'em while the band performed tracks from nursery cryme. | Hiwatts are single channel, and VERY difficult to get dirt out of (I know... I've been playing them for 30 years), it's a fuzz pedal. Thanks |
06-06-2008, 09:28 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Jersey | | | Ah, I am also curious.
Oh and, good taste in music. The Lamb is my favorite album.
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06-06-2008, 09:31 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Seattle USA | | He may have used what Steve Hackett used, a Colorsound Supa Tone Bender, which is a Big Muff variant. A Barber Trifecta will probably get you the closest to that, as one of its settings is modeled on that fuzz. http://www.barberelectronics.com/trifecta.html |
06-06-2008, 10:36 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Hampshire | | | I can get close with my Tech 21 SABDDI with Drive almost maxed, everything else near flat, and playing fairly aggressively near the neck on my fender jazz. He's either using a pick or digging in really hard whatever he's using I would think.
What an incredible bassline to an incredible song. I'll never understand how they managed to write that song. The way the vocal melody, the driving piano, and the odd bassline all fit together is just incredible. |
11-19-2008, 12:42 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NJ | | | OK, this is what Mike Rutherford used on the Lamb tour.
Guitar: Microfret Custom Double Neck, Twelve string (top),
Six string bass (Bottom)
Amps: Dual Acuostic (Bi Amped) One dry and one with effects.
Bass Pedals: Mr Bassman (Not Taurus)
Effects: Marshall Fuzz, Compressor (Unknown)
That's it!
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11-19-2008, 12:50 PM
|  | Hip No Ties | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New York, NY | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Swift713 I had sort of assumed it was a real tube amp or maybe a sansamp because it's so tight and solid. | Lamb Lies Down was released in 1974. I'm pretty sure that the SansAmp hadn't even been created yet... 
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11-19-2008, 12:58 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Jersey | | Quote:
Originally Posted by n2yii OK, this is what Mike Rutherford used on the Lamb tour.
Guitar: Microfret Custom Double Neck, Twelve string (top),
Six string bass (Bottom)
Amps: Dual Acuostic (Bi Amped) One dry and one with effects.
Bass Pedals: Mr Bassman (Not Taurus)
Effects: Marshall Fuzz, Compressor (Unknown)
That's it! | Nice, any idea what Marshall Fuzz?
And by the way, it's Pythagoras.
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11-19-2008, 12:59 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NJ | | | More clarification on Mike's equipment for the Lamb tour
Guitar Amp: 100w Hi-Watt Stack
Bass Amps: Dual Acoustic 370 Amps (Dry & Effects)
Bass Cabinets: Dual Acoustic 201 Cabinets
He also used a Custom Zemaitis 12 string acoustic guitar.
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11-19-2008, 01:00 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NJ | | | He used a Marshall "Super Fuzz"
Sorry for the omission!
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11-19-2008, 01:01 PM
|  | Real Basses Have 5 Strings! | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Colorado | | I bet you could get that sound from this here ...  |
11-19-2008, 01:01 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NJ | | | The spelling is taken from the Genesis album "Foxtrot"
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11-19-2008, 01:11 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Jersey | | Quote:
Originally Posted by n2yii The spelling is taken from the Genesis album "Foxtrot" | Lol. No. 'Tis Pythagoras there, I just checked it again.
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11-19-2008, 01:13 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NJ | | | My apologies, your absolutely correct. It seems my senility is
progressing!
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11-19-2008, 01:20 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Jersey | | Quote:
Originally Posted by n2yii My apologies, your absolutely correct. It seems my senility is
progressing! | No problem, just helpin another Genesis fan! 
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12-18-2008, 01:46 AM
|  | Ojo. | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Beaumont/Calimesa, CA | | | isn't it "Pythagoras with a looking glass reflects the full moon?"
in any case... i love all the Genesis albums with Peter Gabriel singing, and The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway is definitely one of my favorite tunes of theirs. genius!
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