Glitch-free multi-effects

JimmyM · #1 09-21-2008, 04:56 PM

Do they exist yet? I like my old Boss ME-33 but when I switch patches, there's always a momentary glitch while it switches. Kind of sucks when you do something like "For The Love of Money" where you have to turn the reverb on and off a lot.

Also, do any of these multi-effects do flange/phase and envelope worth a crap yet? They have always been the weak link...that's why I always used an outboard pedal for them in the past (Deluxe Electric Mistress and Dr. Q for those of you scoring at home).

cheapbasslovin · #2 09-21-2008, 05:05 PM

The Zoom B series is supposed to be a super fast change (web site says .007 seconds). I was surprised by how good the effects sounded, but I had low expectations because of my 607.

Syeknom · #3 09-21-2008, 05:16 PM

my Zoom B2 changes patches crazy fast and smooth, no glitching

g00eY · #4 09-21-2008, 06:02 PM

My GT-6B is pretty smooth for changing patches.

There is glitching in some of the effects modelers, though. Doh!

bassbrad · #5 09-21-2008, 07:11 PM

The Zoom B2.1u I have is ultra fast, I use mine to switch sounds during a song and have never noticed any lag even going in and out of bypass.

JimmyM · #6 09-21-2008, 08:21 PM

The only thing that bugs me about the Zoom is having to step through patches. But I did figure out that if you use the ME-33 in manual mode, it doesn't glitch turning effects on and off. Can't use reverb with manual mode, but I can use delay, and it has a good enough phaser, so I'm at least covered for the O'Jays

So I notice everyone's being quiet about the envelopes, wahs and synth sounds in multi-effects. I guess they're still the weak link, huh? Too bad they're the sounds I want most.

FreaqyFrequency · #7 09-21-2008, 08:39 PM

Korg AX3000B.

Nearly 2 years and still going strong.

winston · #8 09-21-2008, 09:27 PM

When I had a Boss GT-6B I set it up so that the 4 numbered footswitches could turn 4 individual FX on/off within each patch. No lags/dropouts (or need to actually switch patches). I'm almost certain the new GT-10B can do the same thing. The GTs are fairly complicated--you need to spend some time learning to program 'em to get the most out of them.

I liked the chorus/flanger/phaser on the GT-6B, and while not as greasy as my Ibanez AF-9 analog envelope filter the autowah/envelope worked well.

cheapbasslovin · #9 09-21-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

The only thing that bugs me about the Zoom is having to step through patches. But I did figure out that if you use the ME-33 in manual mode, it doesn't glitch turning effects on and off. Can't use reverb with manual mode, but I can use delay, and it has a good enough phaser, so I'm at least covered for the O'Jays

So I notice everyone's being quiet about the envelopes, wahs and synth sounds in multi-effects. I guess they're still the weak link, huh? Too bad they're the sounds I want most.

Envelope Filters???? (Whistles quietly while looking to the clouds)

JimmyM · #10 09-21-2008, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cheapbasslovin

Envelope Filters???? (Whistles quietly while looking to the clouds)

Hmmm...it apparently imitates a Q-Tron. I take it that it's not good? Or is it? Sorry, I'm not good at picking up on what you mean.

cheapbasslovin · #11 09-21-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

Hmmm...it apparently imitates a Q-Tron. I take it that it's not good? Or is it? Sorry, I'm not good at picking up on what you mean.

Sorry, not good at delivering what I mean. I don't recall the filters on this thing very well, but I've never liked them on any other multis I've used. Was trying to indicate that I would rather be whistling to the clouds than try to sing the praises of the units filters.

But you can throw a Qtron anywhere in the effects chain with the effects loop on the B9.1ut. I don't own one, or really care if you get one, but if patch arrangement and speed of patch change are getting in your way, I know of something that can fix that. It may still not be what you want, though. (I thought I was going to want a m13, but it just couldn't convince me I did)

JimmyM · #12 09-21-2008, 11:29 PM

Hmmm...I guess I don't have anything to gain by ditching the ME-33 and getting something newer. I don't even want to think about it until they make one with good envelope/synth tones. Guess I'll see about getting this old Ibanez AF-9 fixed. Sure don't want to lug that Electric Mistress around again, though. I guess I can get used to the ME-33's flanger with its audible beats and whistling filter

Swift713 · #13 09-22-2008, 07:33 AM

+1 on the Zoom's super fast switching.
I used to be quite happy with the filter until I got a Q-tron. I wasn't won over by the chorus and flange but I'm not crazy about those two in general.
The phaser's not too bad, a little unwieldy at times.
Oddly enough, I've been using the B2 as a tuner/mute and a compressor.

Syeknom · #14 09-22-2008, 09:34 AM

Yeah, I use my B2 mainly as an EQ/Tuner/Compressor. I can't really compare the phaser/flange effects to anything else as I've not really tried other pedals of those kind.

Joe Gress · #15 09-22-2008, 11:38 AM

Well, It hasn't come out yet, but have you seen the thread for the Chunk Systems Octavius Squeezer? It might just take the cake for your envelope needs, and a whole bunch of other stuff. Fuzz, octaves, synth, a tuner.

EDIT: Just saw your post in the thread. So what do you think?

JimmyM · #16 09-22-2008, 01:17 PM

I think if I can get one for $250 I'll get it

Otherwise I'll probably just get an SYB-5 and a Dr. Q.

jokerjkny · #17 09-22-2008, 02:20 PM

**cough** if something happens to the board, all your effects are hosed, unlike analog pedals where you can swap out the bad egg **cough**

dang, sorry bout that, must be the change of weather...

funkifiedsoul · #18 09-22-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

Hmmm...I guess I don't have anything to gain by ditching the ME-33 and getting something newer. I don't even want to think about it until they make one with good envelope/synth tones. Guess I'll see about getting this old Ibanez AF-9 fixed. Sure don't want to lug that Electric Mistress around again, though. I guess I can get used to the ME-33's flanger with its audible beats and whistling filter

AF-9? hhmmm... I own only one Ibanez pedal, and it's an auto-filter named AFL. I've had it for over 20 years and it has just recently stopped working. I periodically tried a few others over the years, and always felt happy to have the Ibanez. Really like it's sound & versitility. I too will probably have it repaired.(if poss.). What is the AF-9 like? Also have you tried the Dunlop Q?

funkifiedsoul · #19 09-22-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jokerjkny

**cough** if something happens to the board, all your effects are hosed, unlike analog pedals where you can swap out the bad egg **cough**

dang, sorry bout that, must be the change of weather...

Yup, a very good point when considering an 'all in one' unit. It's one reason I don't use one.

re: change in weather? eat more Garlic, and hot peppers.

JimmyM · #20 09-22-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by funkifiedsoul

AF-9? hhmmm... I own only one Ibanez pedal, and it's an auto-filter named AFL. I've had it for over 20 years and it has just recently stopped working. I periodically tried a few others over the years, and always felt happy to have the Ibanez. Really like it's sound & versitility. I too will probably have it repaired.(if poss.). What is the AF-9 like? Also have you tried the Dunlop Q?

Never tried the Dunlop, and it's been so long since the AF-9 broke that I can't remember what it sounds like.