Godlyke IP-1 Iso-Pump Voltage Converter w/ One Spot??

mmbongo · #1 05-12-2013, 02:35 PM

Yeah this thing...converts 9v to 18 or 24 volts.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/acces...FYPd4AodVWsAKQ

Does anyone use this with a One Spot? It says it works ONLY with the Godlyke Power-All, but really...what's the difference? Looks like a One Spot to me.

If you do use this with a OneSpot or a Godlyke...how many do you use?

err...well...could you just use one of them and power your whole chain at 18v, or do you have to use one for each pedal you want to run at 18v?

Got2SadowskyNYC · #2 05-12-2013, 02:38 PM

IT says that because they want you to use their's

Dirty secret. The Godlyke Powerall is a 1Spot clone. Years ago Bob was at NAMM showing off the then new 1Spot when the folks at Godlyke saw it. They had an exchange and, long story short, Godlyke liked it so much they bought one at a store and reverse engineered it.

Since there is nothing in there that can be patented it's perfectly legal.

The 1Spot will work fine with the power pump. Regardless of what Godlyke tells you. Visual Sound actually recommends the power pump. It's a good product.

Got2SadowskyNYC · #3 05-12-2013, 02:41 PM

Oh about your second question.

That depends on the Power pump. According to Godlyke the mA max capacity is 320mA at 18volts. As long as you don't go over it you wont hurt anything.

If you do go over you'll burn out the power pump but the 1SPot will be fine. I'm not sure what would happen to a pedal in this case. Probably nothing, but do the math and make sure you don't run over.

MAMMOTHvolume · #4 05-12-2013, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Got2SadowskyNYC

Oh about your second question.

That depends on the Power pump. According to Godlyke the mA max capacity is 320mA at 18volts. As long as you don't go over it you wont hurt anything.

If you do go over you'll burn out the power pump but the 1SPot will be fine. I'm not sure what would happen to a pedal in this case. Probably nothing, but do the math and make sure you don't run over.

wow 320ma do you know what chip they use? that's a lot more than your 7660 etc

Got2SadowskyNYC · #5 05-12-2013, 02:51 PM

I don't know. I've never cracked one open. I got that info off the Godlyke page.

I refuse to buy a pedal that runs more than 9volts because any manufacture can add this in to their circuit for pennies. There's only one reason they don't and it starts with "m" and end with "oney".

MAMMOTHvolume · #6 05-12-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Got2SadowskyNYC

I don't know. I've never cracked one open. I got that info off the Godlyke page.

I refuse to buy a pedal that runs more than 9volts because any manufacture can add this in to their circuit for pennies. There's only one reason they don't and it starts with "m" and end with "oney".

If you wanna make one that works well and is silent it costs a bit more than pennies!

mmbongo · #7 05-12-2013, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Got2SadowskyNYC

I don't know. I've never cracked one open. I got that info off the Godlyke page.

I refuse to buy a pedal that runs more than 9volts because any manufacture can add this in to their circuit for pennies. There's only one reason they don't and it starts with "m" and end with "oney".

I'm with you there. I'm on the fence about the new Pigtronix pedals. the one I have sounds great but requires 18 volts. My 13 other pedals do fine on 9 volts.

Adamixoye · #8 05-12-2013, 03:17 PM

I was very interested in one of these for the 12V option but the 480 mA is juuuuuust under what two of my pedals allegedly need (500 mA for a Morpheus Droptune and 550 mA for a Markbass Supersynth). Would be an elegant solution otherwise...

Got2SadowskyNYC · #9 05-12-2013, 03:20 PM

If you buying low qtys from a retailer you're right, but in the volume most pedal builders buy in from a wholesale supplier it's pennies per unit. In this case "pennies" means less than a dollar.

This is not new technology. Making it run quite is pretty standard. A lot of pedals do this. It's not a secret. They can do it if they want to.

Keep in mind the power pump is $30 retail. Figure a 40% markup and your looking at about $20 cost for the store. Godlyke probably pays 50% of that, $10 for the power pump as a whole.

I think my number being generous. I suspect this probably costs about $5 to make, maybe less.

What it really comes down to they wants to sell you a $30 power supply that costs them about $3 to make in china. Sometimes less.

And then there's the lack of concern for the end user.

ryansalmond · #10 05-12-2013, 04:08 PM

Not the same as what you're thinking of doing, but I once tried using a one-spot daisy chain with a godlyke powerall and it didn't work- silence and popping if I recall.

This may be the kind of thing that could potentially harm your pedals.

What I would do is contact Godlyke and ask- They have AWESOME customer service. I have received fast, detailed replies from them in the past.

mmbongo · #11 05-12-2013, 06:08 PM

Allright, one more dumb question!

Let's say I have the Godlyke PowerAll with a 5 daisy chain pedal.

Let's also say the current draw part is taken care of, not an issue.

Can I combine voltages with this setup? Say I take the 5 daisy chain, connect the IsoPump to the first plug, then connect that to an 18v pedal. Then I'll have 4 other connecters that can be connected to 9v pedals, correct? Any problem doing that?

boomertech · #12 05-12-2013, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MAMMOTHvolume

wow 320ma do you know what chip they use? that's a lot more than your 7660 etc

The simple ISO charge pump IC’s (with the built in transformers) that I am aware of do not provide that much current. I suspect that this is a discrete circuit design with a custom transformer and medium power devices considering the power conversion involved. The Godlyke device is rated at:

480mA @ 12V
320mA @ 18V
240mA @ 24V

All of the ratings calculate to a 5.76 watt conversion. That is quite a bit of power and custom built xformers are not cheap. The one thing to keep in mind is that it is power conversion... Power=Voltage x Current. So for example, if the ISO-pump is delivering 320mA @18V it will need more than 640mA from the 9V input. If the device could be 100% efficient it would only require only 640mA from the 9V input, but assuming an 80% power conversion (which is really good) it would need approximately 770mA from the 9V supply.

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Originally Posted by mmbongo

Allright, one more dumb question!

Let's say I have the Godlyke PowerAll with a 5 daisy chain pedal.

Let's also say the current draw part is taken care of, not an issue.

Can I combine voltages with this setup? Say I take the 5 daisy chain, connect the IsoPump to the first plug, then connect that to an 18v pedal. Then I'll have 4 other connecters that can be connected to 9v pedals, correct? Any problem doing that?

Yes, that will work just fine. You can also daisy-chain from the ISO-pump to power several pedals at higher voltages, as long as the device is not over loaded and the pedals can handle the extra juice.

-Frank

Got2SadowskyNYC · #13 05-12-2013, 07:50 PM

yes. That's what the power pump is designed to do.

the 1Spot is rated at 1700mA max. IF you go over that it's internal protections will shut it off until you unplug the pedal and it drops below the max.

You can put a daisy chain after the power pump as long as you do not go over the mA rating of the power pump at the output setting.

You can use multiple power pumps set a different voltages on a single 1Spot as long as you do go over the 1700mA rating. then see above.

I've never seen anyone max out a 1Spot on a real pedal board. It has been done but only on insanely large demo boards.

You can run every pedal visual sound makes on 1 1Spot and have plenty of room for more.

Feel free to call Visual Sound tomorrow and talk to Dana. He'll be able to answer any and all questions you might think of. You can also email. He gets back to people really quickly.

Got2SadowskyNYC · #14 05-12-2013, 07:52 PM

ANY Daisy Chain is just an extension cord. There is nothing special about them. If you got popping and noise using a 1Spot chain and a Godlyke power all (and visa versa) something else was wrong. Probably a bad chain.

Adamixoye · #15 05-12-2013, 07:57 PM

Slightly off-topic, it sure seems to me there is a market for a 12V version of the One Spot, and/or a higher-current version of the Iso-Pump.

mmbongo · #16 05-12-2013, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Got2SadowskyNYC

yes. That's what the power pump is designed to do.

the 1Spot is rated at 1700mA max. IF you go over that it's internal protections will shut it off until you unplug the pedal and it drops below the max.

You can put a daisy chain after the power pump as long as you do not go over the mA rating of the power pump at the output setting.

You can use multiple power pumps set a different voltages on a single 1Spot as long as you do go over the 1700mA rating. then see above.

I've never seen anyone max out a 1Spot on a real pedal board. It has been done but only on insanely large demo boards.

You can run every pedal visual sound makes on 1 1Spot and have plenty of room for more.

Feel free to call Visual Sound tomorrow and talk to Dana. He'll be able to answer any and all questions you might think of. You can also email. He gets back to people really quickly.

Awesome. I'm good to go then. I'll be using both the OneSpot and the Iso Pump at roughly half their rated capacity.