good HPF with CV input?

JohnDavisNYC · #1 02-09-2009, 08:46 PM

today jojo and i went and bought a moog mp201. i felt like i needed even more modular synth capabilities, and we were listening to a bunch of dubstep, and decided we needed to see what this thing is all about...

buuuut... i need more CV controlled pedals.... i want a high pass filter, so i can do things like sweep a HPF with the expression pedal while an LFO (tap tempo'd, of course) is modulating my moog LPF, and still another could be sweeping the harmonic generation on the CopilotFX ORbit...

i have pretty mental plans, and want to find a killing HPF.

and I want it cheap!!!

john

gwx014 · #2 02-09-2009, 09:06 PM

Let us know how you like the mp201, it looks really nice. Is it better quality than the other moog expressions pedals?

grovest · #3 02-10-2009, 12:00 AM

John, I've been searching for the same thing. The out of production (any update on Frostwave?) Resonator is about the best I can find. The Subdecay is a current production filter than can be a fixed hpf, but doesn't have CV. You've also got the Squarewave Parade MoleS20 which may do it for you (not quite perfect, I think)

whoatherechunk · #4 02-10-2009, 12:08 AM

Jucas has a frostwave resonator.... He would recommend it.

JohnDavisNYC · #5 02-10-2009, 06:15 AM

the frostwave resonator is amazing.... but they are super pricey, and maybe a bit more than i need, in terms of capabilities. I'll check out the Squarewave Parade one... I think the guitarist in Phonograph has one... might have to borrow it.

John

JohnDavisNYC · #6 02-10-2009, 06:18 AM

oh, re: the mp201, the build quality is GREAT... it is all metal, and the expression pedal is optical, so i imagine it will last a long time.

i don't think i will be as comfortable abusing it as my old EMU expression pedal, but it has so many great options... it is pretty deep. i'm going to spend a few hours today experimenting with it and learning how to program it.

john

fightthepower · #7 02-10-2009, 06:22 AM

I'm very interested in your thoughts on the mp201 once you have some time with it. I was ready to pull the trigger on the cp251, tap tempo, and a couple more exp pedals until the mp201 came out. Price wise it would be about the same, it would actually save some space and the midi/cv functionality is very appealing.

JohnDavisNYC · #8 02-10-2009, 08:25 AM

the hippies at moog forgot to put a power supply in the small white cardboard power supply box, so i'm off to the shop to pick up a replacement.

SWEET!

i'll have some results later today... gonna do some sonic r&d.

john

rottenramone · #9 02-10-2009, 08:31 AM

how abt that alesis philtre?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCJmQ_dD_BQ

PS John: pls check your PM. Thanks!

JohnDavisNYC · #10 02-10-2009, 08:42 AM

alesis stuff is great for the studio, but i would break it. i am pretty rough on my pedals.

i'm gonna borrow a few different ones and see what floats my boat.

john

speak_onion · #11 02-10-2009, 08:54 AM

Have you considered doing like a dopefer (or other) minicase with some modules? It woudl be small enough to just sit right beside your baord, and you could either put in in a TB loop, or get some blank panels to build in bypass switches. It would be really easy to wire that up.

Remind me, do you have any non-9V pedals? If you already have a powerstrip on your board, then I think the mincase makes the most sense for you. If no, and you're just doing a simple 9V daisy-chain at present, then it's a real PITA to power.

JohnDavisNYC · #12 02-10-2009, 09:06 AM

i've thought about it, but honestly, i don't like the eurorack/doepfer format for modular synthesis... i like the MOTM stuff, which is 1/4 patch, and i really like the old serge modulars with the banana jacks....

but for me pedals just kinda do it... i need to be as self contained as possible, since i fly for most of my gigs and don't want to fly with a modular rack AND my pedal board.... believe you me, i have DEFINITELY contemplated going that route, but at this time it isn't the right direction for me, mostly because the build quality of most modular stuff doesn't seem like it would stand up to the abuse i would throw at it, even though the sonic potential is captivating.

we'll see... never say never.

john

speak_onion · #13 02-10-2009, 09:13 AM

Got it. I considered it heavily when I was doing synthy stuff, and while the rewards are great, it's a big logistical hurdle.

I hate to be one of these dudes who is like "yo, you need to use what I use," but have you ever seend/heard of/tried the MAM Warp 9? It's basically a clone of the VCF and VCA section of the old EDP WASP, except while the signal path is analog, the control pathways are digital, so there's A MILLION modulation routing options and 32 presets. It has LP/BP/HP/Notch, trigger input, ASDR envelope, an LFO with more shapes than any actual analog synth I've ever seen, and it sounds brilliant.

The catch is that it's a rack unit. BUT, it's such a shallow rack unit, than you can fit it on a pedalboard, if you are creative. I did. It's only 2 inches deep. Anyway, the HP sound is completely awesome, and you could control it via MIDI from your MP201.

Just throwing it out there.

JohnDavisNYC · #14 02-10-2009, 09:16 AM

hmmm... man, do we need to have an NYC effects hang, for REAL.

maybe we can all just hang at whoever has the best spot to chill and try out everyone's crazy stuff?

i can maybe host it at my studio, schedule permitting....

john

speak_onion · #15 02-10-2009, 09:18 AM

Would attend.

JohnDavisNYC · #16 02-10-2009, 09:24 AM

that would be fun. i know you and excane are both nyc... and andyLES too?

gonna start a new thread about this....

john

bongomania · #17 02-10-2009, 09:51 AM

+1 to MAM. I've owned three of their units (Warp 9, RS3, VF11), and they absolutely slayed. Great crazy fat tone possibilities, lots of tweakability, and some (limited) CV and/or MIDI capability.

speak_onion · #18 02-10-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bongomania

+1 to MAM. I've owned three of their units (Warp 9, RS3, VF11), and they absolutely slayed. Great crazy fat tone possibilities, lots of tweakability, and some (limited) CV and/or MIDI capability.

We've been preaching this gospen forever, man, and they never listen to us.

WHEN WILL THEY LEARN?!!!

jucas · #19 02-10-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by whoatherechunk

Jucas has a frostwave resonator.... He would recommend it.

I sure would, but the're out of production and...

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Originally Posted by JohnDavisNYC

the frostwave resonator is amazing.... but they are super pricey, and maybe a bit more than i need, in terms of capabilities. I'll check out the Squarewave Parade one... I think the guitarist in Phonograph has one... might have to borrow it.

John

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnDavisNYC

oh, re: the mp201, the build quality is GREAT... it is all metal, and the expression pedal is optical, so i imagine it will last a long time.

i don't think i will be as comfortable abusing it as my old EMU expression pedal, but it has so many great options... it is pretty deep. i'm going to spend a few hours today experimenting with it and learning how to program it.

john

I keep thinking about ditching the CP251 for one of those... I'd be interested to hear what you think when you've played around with it for a while.

(sorry, no crazy suggestions for a good, cheap, small highpass filter.)

JohnDavisNYC · #20 02-10-2009, 04:50 PM

so, after a few hours of tweaking, a few brain melting blasts of full resonance (ugh....) and a quick jam with jojo, i can definitely say that the mp201 is KILLING... there are so many options, and i am only using two of the CV outputs right now, controlling cutoff and resonance... but within the pedal, the lfo options and stuff are just amazing.

it was definitely inspiring, and i've already discovered some new textures.

now for that HPF....

john