Got a preamp modeller? Does it do a passable "GK growl"? +hidden mesa model question

ihateusernames · #1 01-09-2008, 02:09 PM

Hate these kinds of threads, really I do. Just didn't see the answer in searching here or the other sites user review sections.

It seems everyone reviews and talks about the SVT settings -I'm bored with that! Actually, while I've mentioned it, how do the Mesa400 models compare to the SVT models?? I would guess it's just a different sounding eq structure?

My ZOOM B2.1u doesn't have an 800rb model, or any GK for that matter. It's also not really hiding in there using any of the other models, they're either too compressed and tube-like sounding, or don't have enough drive available in the program to pull it off.

So, of the ones which have the 800RB model (Line6, the B word, others?) Do any allow you to replicate the 80's rock/metal GK growl/grind/drive- however YOU prefer to say it???

Please share you experiences including brand, model, settings, tone description, comparison to the real deal or well known players.

JanusZarate · #2 01-09-2008, 02:24 PM

Tell you what - how about you judge for yourself?

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...songID=6132942

The entire clip was recorded using the 800RB model on a Line 6 Toneport GX (their cheapest recording interface) that I borrowed from my brother when I was visiting my family. The beginning is just the model alone. The bass is an EBMM Stingray, EQ set flat, output at maximum, running through an EHX Stereo Electric Mistress (which I turn on for the second section).

IMO, it's not bad, but honestly, the real thing is much better. It's one of those amps that no one has really taken the time to emulate properly. They haven't even bothered with the new GK heads, either.

OhThePeacock · #3 01-09-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticBoo

Tell you what - how about you judge for yourself?

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...songID=6132942

The entire clip was recorded using the 800RB model on a Line 6 Toneport GX (their cheapest recording interface) that I borrowed from my brother when I was visiting my family. The beginning is just the model alone. The bass is an EBMM Stingray, EQ set flat, output at maximum, running through an EHX Stereo Electric Mistress (which I turn on for the second section).

IMO, it's not bad, but honestly, the real thing is much better. It's one of those amps that no one has really taken the time to emulate properly. They haven't even bothered with the new GK heads, either.

I love my GK, sometime it's a bit to much grind for my liking but it's grown on me. It takes a little EQ twisting to learn how to tame the beast at first.

ihateusernames · #4 01-09-2008, 03:48 PM

Thanks MB - knew I could count on a regular! That tone would have a nice place in some of our recording projects.

Is that the maximum growl the model offers up? Guess anyone with experience might be able chime in on that.

Just to support the question, I've got my Backline 600 dialed in really close - It just doesn't come across well direct, and leaves precious little room to tame it down on the fly and end up with a great clean tone. Figured modelling would be an easier solution than switching between two rigs on stage - what a hassle for everyone.

JanusZarate · #5 01-09-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ihateusernames

Is that the maximum growl the model offers up? Guess anyone with experience might be able chime in on that.

It's not, but I had some issues with the monitoring setup that made higher growl settings sound really weird. When I played the clips back through my brother's sound card and speakers, they worked fine, but through the TonePort's internal monitoring, it sounded awful. I didn't hang onto the clips, though. I'd need to experiment with that again next time I visit my brother; I gave him the TonePort for his birthday, so it's out of my hands now.

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Originally Posted by ihateusernames

Just to support the question, I've got my Backline 600 dialed in really close - It just doesn't come across well direct, and leaves precious little room to tame it down on the fly and end up with a great clean tone. Figured modelling would be an easier solution than switching between two rigs on stage - what a hassle for everyone.

Well, if you're using the DI on the Backline, you're missing out on all the growl that the head could possibly offer. I can see why you'd be seeking a modeling solution.

ihateusernames · #6 01-09-2008, 07:14 PM

Actually that direct out is between the boost and master (circuitry wise, not in order on the panel). I use the channel volume and boost to achieve the desired tone, it's there in spades. Just too hard to work with off direct without the cab interaction to tame the harshness.

JanusZarate · #7 01-10-2008, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ihateusernames

Actually that direct out is between the boost and master (circuitry wise, not in order on the panel).

The 2001RB has the DI on the back of the head.

But still... I didn't know that. You sure? I always thought it came before the Boost circuit, if using the Post EQ button. I'll have to look at the schematic again... maybe I misread it. It's been a while...

I haven't used the DI in ages... my tone has changed dramatically since I last used it. I need to play with it again.

ihateusernames · #8 01-10-2008, 08:39 AM

Looking over the schematic I was amazed the post eq was routed. I sent an email. The GK tech confirmed that the direct out is after the boost processing.

JanusZarate · #9 01-10-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ihateusernames

Looking over the schematic I was amazed the post eq was routed. I sent an email. The GK tech confirmed that the direct out is after the boost processing.

Ah...

Now I'll definitely have to play with it again.

I've become too comfortable with the miked sound for my own good, perhaps.

I still think miking is superior