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07-19-2009, 03:56 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Connecticut | | | Help Me Decide - Electro-Harmonix Enigma OR 3Leaf Audio envelope filter
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I want to get an envelope filter.
Right now I am leaning towards the Electro-Harmonix Enigma.
I like the idea of the expression pedal to use it as a manual Wah.
And it just seems like it can be tweaked more.
So... It's This - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrmrA0LwEUk
Vs. This - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG6TWIqrpRc
Just wanted any input or other suggestions and board-members might have.
Thanks.
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07-19-2009, 04:07 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego, California | | | none of us have actually USED the enigma yet, but plenty have used the 3Leaf. They appear to be VERY different sounding envelope filters.
I found the 3Leaf lacked the resonance I wanted from an envelope filter. It might be good for rock or fusion, but less so for in-your-face funk or synth-bass sounds.
What kind of stuff are you playing that will require an envelope filter? |
07-19-2009, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RCCollins  What kind of stuff are you playing that will require an envelope filter? | I play a lot of stoner-rock. Ranging from bands like Clutch and Orange Goblin to more commercial stuff like Wolfmother and CKY.
But sometimes my band gets into these psychedelic jams where I think an envelope filter will sit nicely. |
07-19-2009, 04:18 PM
|  | He knows how to butter a muffin | | Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: DFW, Texas | | | I haven't even seen an Enigma in real life yet, but the demo sounds cool. I can certainly recommend the 3 Leaf though, it's the only envelope filter that has ever worked for me. It's the best in my book!
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07-19-2009, 04:20 PM
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Endorsing Artist: Lyt Pedalboards Beta tester: Source Audio Moderator | | Join Date: May 2002 Location: Connecticut | | | I would think they're very different filters as well. RC nailed it in that the Enigma seems to be a resonant filter- more akin to the Q/Mu-tron where you can get a more saturated, effected sound with large volume spikes (the Enigma's manual even warns of this) while the 3Leaf maintains your signal while still adding a great quackiness to it. I wouldn't mind owning both the 3Leaf for regular use and another resonant filter for a more purely wet filter that sounds like a different instrument altogether. The Enigma looks like it might fit that bill nicely.
That dude's voice in the second video is awful. |
07-19-2009, 04:22 PM
|  | Master of Reality | | Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Diego, CA | | | From the samples, the Enigma has the 3Leaf covered for funkiness, and theoretically it has it covered in flexibility and control based on the number of parameters it has available for tweaking.
That said, I've only seen one demo of the Enigma, never used one. I'll be waiting for the early adopters to burn through the first batch and then make my mind up.
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07-19-2009, 04:24 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England | | | What about the Robot Factory Meatwad - just like the 3-Leaf but with more knobs and expression pedal inputs! |
07-19-2009, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dannybuoy What about the Robot Factory Meatwad - just like the 3-Leaf but with more knobs and expression pedal inputs! | Thought about it, but the price took it out of the running. |
07-19-2009, 06:56 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego, California | | | I can imagine the 3Leaf working QUITE well for stoner-type stuff (which I dabble in myself). It seems to play nice with a variety of other effects, and I've got a hunch it is always "smoother" sounding than the QBalls (which nobody has used yet, don't forget). The Enigma is likely to be much quackier.
I use "up" mode (non hi-Q) on my EBS BassIQ for a smoothish "rock" type filter, with or without distortion. Sounds GREAT.
That said, I will likely by an Enigma before the year is out |
07-19-2009, 06:59 PM
|  | no really, smokemeth&hailsatan | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pueblo, CO | | | I hope my enigma will be in soon. |
07-19-2009, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RCCollins I found the 3Leaf lacked the resonance I wanted from an envelope filter. | The pedals from the new batch (which just started shipping this week) actually have a little more resonance. |
07-19-2009, 08:30 PM
|  | I'm a tumbler, born under punches | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Northern California | | | Based on the only clip of the Enigma I didn't dig it at all. And every clip of the 3Leaf has sounded good to me. I'd like to hear clips of the new ones with more resonance - that might push me to buy one. |
07-19-2009, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Spencer! The pedals from the new batch (which just started shipping this week) actually have a little more resonance. | i'll be curious to try one! |
07-19-2009, 08:37 PM
| | | | Same here. If I bought an Enigma it would have to replace me BMS on my board. I'm not sure how I feel about that but once people start buying them I may change my mind.
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07-19-2009, 08:40 PM
| | I'm a tumbler, born under punches | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Northern California | | Quote:
Originally Posted by jufros Same here. If I bought an Enigma it would have to replace me BMS on my board. I'm not sure how I feel about that but once people start buying them I may change my mind. | I want to hear more clips of the Enigma, preferably without distortion. With all the controls it seems like it should have a ton of different tones, but the Jack Conte clip just sounded like very slight variations on that same extra squishy sound. It was very well done in terms of being a well produced and entertaining video and not so well done at actually showcasing the QBalls:Enigma IMO. |
07-19-2009, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBigO Based on the only clip of the Enigma I didn't dig it at all. And every clip of the 3Leaf has sounded good to me. I'd like to hear clips of the new ones with more resonance - that might push me to buy one. | It's not a major difference (just one changed resistor value), but it does add some of that coveted "wetness." |
07-19-2009, 08:41 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: The Berkshires, Ma | | | If only there was a decent demo of the Enigma, but that's been discussed in another thread. |
07-19-2009, 08:46 PM
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Endorsing Artist: Lyt Pedalboards Beta tester: Source Audio Moderator | | Join Date: May 2002 Location: Connecticut | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Spencer! It's not a major difference (just one changed resistor value), but it does add some of that coveted "wetness." | That's the one you're sending me for free, right?  I'm actually so happy with the 3Leaf that I wonder if I'd consider the higher resonance to be "better" or not. |
07-19-2009, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler That dude's voice in the second video is awful. | I see what you did thar. 
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07-19-2009, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler That's the one you're sending me for free, right? I'm actually so happy with the 3Leaf that I wonder if I'd consider the higher resonance to be "better" or not. | The way I did the new ones, it sounds like the old ones when the feedback switch is in the down position.
Like I said before, it's a subtle change. You'll be able to hear for yourself soon, because I sent one to Grygrx to do a video review for his bass fuzz website. | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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