help me order my effects

[varunkapahi]

1.digitech bass synth wah (i use it as an envelop filter and octave and both)
2.fender pt-100 tuner
3.tech21 vt bass
4.bosss EQ (for mid scoop)
5.EHX BBM
6.boss bf-3
7.105Q wah

that is the order i've been using my pedals in for a few days but i need your views on how would you do it. i mean i just need suggestions on how could i change the order for some massive new tones. right now my wah is after the fuzz and havent tried putting it before the fuzz yet, would the wah be stronger or subtle(er) before the fuzz??

how should i arrange my modulation pedals? i havent yet tried experimenting yet because my board is at the singer's place where we jam and they are all Velcro'd onto the board but next time i go there i need to mess around a bit. so hit me with ideas guys!

edit:
i really like my BBM fuzz after the vt bass (which i use as my preamp) and the tuner doesnt really track well if i place it after all the effects

[dannybuoy]

I would go:

1. BBM
2. BSW
3. 105Q
4. VT
5. EQ
6. BF-3
7. Tuner

But I also think it's important to rip the pedals off the board and experiment every now and then. All my pedals are on a table top right now pending board re-arrangement!

[varunkapahi]

Originally Posted by dannybuoy

I would go:

1. BBM
2. BSW
3. 105Q
4. VT
5. EQ
6. BF-3
7. Tuner

But I also think it's important to rip the pedals off the board and experiment every now and then. All my pedals are on a table top right now pending board re-arrangement!

thanks! shouldnt the BSW come before the BBM since then it would perhaps track the notes better on octave mode. anyway does a fuzz sound really good before or after the envelop filter?? btw, i edited my first post

[Aurel]

I would use them in this order:

1: Synth Wah
2: 105Q Wah
3: BBM
4: EQ
5: BF3
6: VT Bass
7: Tuner

You can try to put the EQ before/after the BBM depending on the BBM setting.
Also, you can put the BF3 after the VT Bass, if the VT is used as a preamp. The flanging effect will be cleaner.
I would place the Synth Wah first in the signal chain, because this effect reacts to your playing/attack, so the tracking (for the octave) and the dynamics will be better if the singnal is unaffected when it reaches this pedal.
For the 105Q, I would say that before a distortion the wah sound will be cleaner and you will hear the frequency sweep better. After the distortion, the wah will be darker sounding.
Of course, this is only theory, so you'll need to experiment in order to suit your playing style and achieve the tones you're after.
Good luck!

[dannybuoy]

I prefer octave after fuzz. Analogue octavers will produce a clean synthesized octave note which blends really well when placed after the fuzz. The octave effect can be lost and turned to mush if put before the fuzz. Tracking might be slightly worse though, but not noticeably so, depending on your pedals. The BSW has really good tracking though so I don't think it will be a problem.

Filters sound great after a fuzz as long as the fuzz isn't extremely compressed so that they can still react to your playing dynamics. Muffs are ok, but filters don't do much when placed after something extremely compressed like a Wooly Mammoth. You will lose some of the touch sensitivity of the filter, but a filtered fuzz sounds far better to my ears than a fuzzed filter!

[Nacho-Dread]

I suggest the following order

1: Tuner
2: EQ
3: 105Q Wah
4: BBM
5: VT Bass
6: Synth Wah
7: BF3

Except you use the EQ as a booster for a distortion.

[dannybuoy]

These suggestions just go to show that only you can decide what chain is best for you, and a bit of experimentation is in order! The EQ before the VT is a good shout though, so you can use it to push the VT into producing more dirt if required.

[IPS]

1.Tuner
2.EQ
3. VT bass
4. BBM
5. BSW
6.BF3
7. Wah

I cant stand the sound of a wah or envelope before distortion/fuzz, and love the sound of fuzz > envelope/wah. I also prefer any tone shaping/eq to go before my distortion/fuzz as i like to keep the character of the fuzz, and find putting eq after alters this significantly. It is all of course personal preferance and only you can choose which sounds you like

[grygrx]

Originally Posted by varunkapahi

1. synth wah
2. EHX BBM
3. Wah
4. VT Bass
5. BF-3
6. bosss EQ (for mid scoop)
7. Tuner

Before I'm jaded by other responses. This is probably what I would try first. There is no wrong answer.

I'll read the rest of the thread now

[varunkapahi]

thanks guys!
i understand there is no right/best order and what would work for me would work for me! i am just looking for some suggestions and reasons as i posted above. i would try the fuzz before the filter and the orders you guys have suggested tomorrow

[Bubba Ghanoosh]

For those that did, why do you suggest the tuner last?

[Aurel]

Originally Posted by Bubba Ghanoosh

For those that did, why do you suggest the tuner last?

In my case, I put it last in order to mute the whole signal chain when it's on. So there is no hum when your distortion is on, for example.

[varunkapahi]

Originally Posted by Aurel

In my case, I put it last in order to mute the whole signal chain when it's on. So there is no hum when your distortion is on, for example.

yep exactly!

[Bubba Ghanoosh]

Originally Posted by Aurel

In my case, I put it last in order to mute the whole signal chain when it's on. So there is no hum when your distortion is on, for example.

Originally Posted by varunkapahi

yep exactly!

That's what I thought.

[excane]

I will agree with the already stated combinations but personally +1 to putting the tuner at the end.

[varunkapahi]

the rehersal got canned so now i'd wait till monday to mess with the order. the fuzz is going to go before the filter and the vt might be before the fuzz!

[varunkapahi]

i have the rest of the pedals set in order i just cat get this bit right
vt bass before or after the muff? both have distinct sounds what should i go for? :-/

[varunkapahi]

i think i should settle for this order
bass muff
synth wah/envelop filter
flanger
vt bass
eq
tuner
wah