here is what i need to know

[veganinjackneck]

i have a bass, a gt6b, and an amp w/ an fx loop
i want to be able to do 4 things
1. bass> front of amp, true bypass gt-6b and nullify loop
2. bass>gt6b>front of amp nullify loop
3. bass>gt6b>in on fx loop
4. bass>front of amp>gt6b in fx loop

anyone know what device might allow this?

[bongomania]

First, there is no off-the-shelf device that will do this. It can probably be done custom, and there are a few custom loop builders out there, but first: Why? What are you trying to achieve with each of those setups?

(I'm asking seriously, not facetiously)

[veganinjackneck]

the amp sounds good by its self
the time based fx sound good in the fx loop
the overdrive fx sound good in the front of the preamp
the bass sounds good going thru the digital preamp models and then straight into the powersection.

the idea here is maximization of tonal options. i have found that all of these options would be of great value.

[Swift713]

Maybe you should get a second unit so that you can run one before your amp and one in your fx loop. Then you could probably do something with a couple A/B boxes to bypass the amp's pre when you want. I've considered getting a second multi so I can switch drive and effect modules independently. Does your amp's pre really interfere with your digital pre's sound?

[Jazz Ad]

That's a lot of trouble for the little it can bring.

[veganinjackneck]

i don't think two multifx units is the way to go for me. i don't use more that one to two at a time and rarely will i use an overdrive with a timebased fx. the modeling pre's aren't that important, the pre on the bass amp is good, i do like the idea of multiple options tho. the amps pre does in fact stand out so. yes it does interfere. if its a custom switch box i need then you've been a big help. if there is no such critter that will give me all four switching options, then do you have any idea who could build it for me? cost? could i build it? i don't want multiple a/b's i want a single unit that will perform complex functions with an easy to use intuitive interface. its seems i am asking too much yes?

[Swimming Bird]

You could just get a custom multi-loop switcher with the GT-6B going in to or coming out of the loops depending on how you would want it.

You would just need a couple signal splitters and it could all be done from one box, though there would likely be a lot of long cables involved.

It would go:

Bass >> four-loop >> amp

loop 1 send >> GT-6b >> Return
loop 2 send >> loop 4 return; Effect out of amp >> Return
loop 3 send >> GT-6b >> Return
loop 4 send >> Effect return of amp; loop 2 send >> loop 4 return

Does that make sense? Of course you would need to have 2-4 engaged all at once in order to use the amp's effect send and return. Of course you'd need a looper that stopped signal from getting to the separate sends and not just cutting the returns from the signal path: my looper has signal going through the pedals constantly which wouldn't work if you wanted to do this.

[speak_onion]

Originally Posted by Swimming Bird

You could just get a custom multi-loop switcher with the GT-6B going in to or coming out of the loops depending on how you would want it.

You would just need a couple signal splitters and it could all be done from one box, though there would likely be a lot of long cables involved.

It would go:

Bass >> four-loop >> amp

loop 1 send >> GT-6b >> Return
loop 2 send >> loop 4 return; Effect out of amp >> Return
loop 3 send >> GT-6b >> Return
loop 4 send >> Effect return of amp; loop 2 send >> loop 4 return

Does that make sense? Of course you would need to have 2-4 engaged all at once in order to use the amp's effect send and return. Of course you'd need a looper that stopped signal from getting to the separate sends and not just cutting the returns from the signal path: my looper has signal going through the pedals constantly which wouldn't work if you wanted to do this.

Whoa, that's intense. Did you use diagrams to figure that out? You'd do well on LSATs.

But, if you have the GT6B in two different loops, how would that work? Is it true stereo? Would you use Y cables? I think that would be trouble in a passive looper. Maybe I'm wrong, though. . .

[EricF]

This is why I like individual effects. I can put them wherever I want.

[JanusZarate]

Originally Posted by EricF

This is why I like individual effects. I can put them wherever I want.

A serious +1.

To what extent are you utilizing the features on your GT-6B?

I know you mentioned you'd like your time-based effects are in the loop, overdrive at the front, and the preamp models are in the loop as well. But what exactly are you using out of those groups?

It sounds like you could probably live without it and actually have better effects (IMO) and a better preamp (IMO again) if you went for single pedals and a rack or pedal preamp.

I do believe you're trying to accomplish too much with a unit that isn't best suited for the job. Then again, no multi-effects unit would be, IMHO...

[veganinjackneck]

i've been thinking about it. bass into front of amp, its a bassman pro 300 basically a sunn 300T with a fender logo on it. i'll just use the amp's built in overdrive. its sounds cool so no big deal. and in the fx i'll just leave the gt6b in the loop. this is the current setup and it works ok. i was hoping to get more from it, but i think i am asking too much, it seems simple but after much pondering nope its not. i will modify my plan,

bass in the front of the amp. gt6b in the loop with a very simple true bypass fx looper thingy(maybe), i think radial makes one, and i've heard i could just build it cheap($15) so there's that. the gt6b is advertised as analog truebypass its shure as hell doesn't sound like it. still a buffered signal just not a/d/a conversion. a/bas/a right? i use four patches, one with delay, one with octave/vibrato, one with octave, and one with ring mod/synth so i do use it. just not all of the weirdo feats on it. i also use it in my noise band, theremins sound good thru it and the weird stuff has a home there so i do intend to keep it maybe i will just get a true bypass analog delay for the loop and call it a day. i fluxuate between using it and going w/o fx. my band hates me for it, because every six weeks i change my sound. i also like the idea of minimalism, trying to squeeze out the most of just a few pieces of equipment: bass + amp + tuner + beer + heartache + joy = massive rawking pleasure. i only added fx because in my head i hear a sound. i am really only trying to complete 1/3rd(3 piece rock trio) of a psychospiritual acoustic resonance circuit. tori amos describes it as sonic imaging. the way i see it the music comes from within my soul, which is the same soul that feeds all life, into my brain which is exclusively under my perception(bare in mind that the johari window is an influence as well but not in a direct extention of myself) into my body, hands and feet included, into an instrument, into an amp or acoustic chamber into the air to my eardrums and those of my audience back into the brain-o for processing and evaluation, and then if all goes well it should resonate with the soul. like when you hear some passage that makes you move, or drive differently, or dance, the hair stands up on your neck. it will resonate at some level. so if the fx helps great if not it does not need to be in the circuit its already got enough links in the chain. thats why the multi was appealing, massive tonal pallette, simple interface. good technology, makes life easier, it reduces complex function to intuitive interface. any suggestions on a delay box?

[Swift713]

Have you checked out the TC Electronic G system? Nowhere near cheap but I think it does much of what you're looking for. There are also some really sophisticated switching gadgets out there that I know nothing about. They apparently allow you to switch the order of a number of gadgets with foot switches. Maybe check out what Trey Gunn uses, I forget what it's called. But I think most of these things are really expensive.