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Old 06-30-2010, 06:30 PM
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If you were to choose between the Eventide TimeFactor and the Diamond Memory Lane 2 which would you pick and why? Any other suggestions for the sleeper/underdog of the delay world.

This is a money is no factor opinion but you can only have one or the other.....


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What about the Empress Superdelay? It looks pretty sweet.

http://www.empresseffects.com/?page=superdelay
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Old 06-30-2010, 07:32 PM
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Old 06-30-2010, 07:37 PM
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i wouldve picked up the empress, but at the time, he (forget the builders name... sorry...) had a bit of a backlog and couldnt mod it to have delay time expression control. then i saw a used eventide either here or on ebay and got that.

i tend to use the delay on my ps3, as it does a lot in a tiny space, which is why i think the empress is a pretty good choice. if the ps3 had a tap in... nevermind... daydreaming..

empress or eventide are both solid choices. the eventide can do more than youd ever need, but its pretty big. spring on whatever comes up used for a good price; no bad choices there.

EDIT: also, i doubt youd have a lot of trouble selling either if you dont like them. if you buy used you will probably lose very little on the whole deal.

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I can definitely give you good options/ opinions because I have played everything listed on this thread and more, but I need to know more specifics.

Do you want dotted eights?, triplets?, uber long delay times?, crazy feedback? and / or modulation?, reverse?, really accurate natural sounding delays?, midi? trails?, pre-sets?

Is sound the most important thing or features or a mixture of both?

Is pedalboard space a factor?
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Old 06-30-2010, 08:32 PM
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Ha... I wish. I love my 'foogers. I use the 101 and the 103 on one board and the 107 with another setup.

104z is a tad out of reach and no tap. Can you tap tempo from the mp201 to the 104z?
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Ha... I wish. I love my 'foogers. I use the 101 and the 103 on one board and the 107 with another setup.

104z is a tad out of reach and no tap. Can you tap tempo from the mp201 to the 104z?
It can be modded to tap.
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I can definitely give you good options/ opinions because I have played everything listed on this thread and more, but I need to know more specifics.

Do you want dotted eights?, triplets?, uber long delay times?, crazy feedback? and / or modulation?, reverse?, really accurate natural sounding delays?, midi? trails?, pre-sets?

Is sound the most important thing or features or a mixture of both?

Is pedalboard space a factor?
Pedalboard space isn't a huge factor

sound is more important than features. Lush repeats and oscillations are where I'm at. and Tap is a must. I've owned digital delays in the past and i've seen the TimeFactor and the ML2 in action (my guitarist has both) and i get the functionality of both. In real life however I'm just wondering what the bassists of the web are thinking.

The Super Delay is cool but I'm not so sure I'd use all that and I've heard everything goes the the A/D converter. Does the dry signal go throught the A/D on the TF?
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not sure for neither. but i've got a superdelay and have the gas for the time factor.
do i wanna sell one of them for the other? nope

superdelay has lush repeats and guess what, you can tap the oscillation!
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Pedalboard space isn't a huge factor

sound is more important than features. Lush repeats and oscillations are where I'm at. and Tap is a must. I've owned digital delays in the past and i've seen the TimeFactor and the ML2 in action (my guitarist has both) and i get the functionality of both. In real life however I'm just wondering what the bassists of the web are thinking.

The Super Delay is cool but I'm not so sure I'd use all that and I've heard everything goes the the A/D converter. Does the dry signal go throught the A/D on the TF?
Ok, now you gave enough information.

First off, the main thing about delay on bass is that what might sound great on guitar- like old analog/ dark and warm repeats- can easily get buried in a mix on bass.

Digital delays that are high end usually still sound great on bass (natural. warm, etc.) so I wouldn't get too wrapped up in the analog/ digital part. Even a delay which might sound a bit sterile on guitar can sound good on bass because of the frequency that you sit on a mix. However none of those delays are even mentioned in this thread.

For sheer sound quality, The Diamond Memory Lane and The Empress SD can't really be beat.

You are not going to get your dry signal passing through unconverted with a digital delay, unless you have a Memory Lane, Pigtronix Echolution, or Damage Control Timeline (Which, by the way is what I have but they do not make them anymore).

The Super Delay, The Memory Lane (1 or 2), and the Echolution all sound better (more natural and warm, but still clear) to me than the Timefactor. The Timefactor is really clear, but a bit clinical/ processed sounding IN COMPARISON to the other delays that have mentioned. Tts also an overkill if you don't need tons of features.

However, if pre-sets are important, than the Timefactor has the Empress beat with ease of use in a live setting and it also has more patches. it also has an seemingly unlimited amount of tonal and feature options. This is the best delay out there in terms of features and tweakability.

Super lush repeats AND crazy oscillation would be the territory of The Empress and the Memory Lane, although the Empress has a wide variety of oscillating sounds. They are crazy oscillation- the Empress is just spectacular in general.

You get really crazy and easy-to-dial-in repeats with the Echolution. The oscillation though is not as smooth in transition as the Empress and Memory Lane.

The pedal that wasn't mentioned that you might want to take a look at is Analogman ARDX20. It is also the cheapest of the of the bunch.

Or and if you need the most amount of delay time, the Pigtronix Echolution mops all other delays off the floor.

Personally, if I didn't have my favorite delay, The Timeline, I would grab the Empress Delay. And if I didn't need pre-sets or quite as crazy modulation, the Echolution.
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+1. If you want tap tempo, TCE Nova Delay.
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Empress V/M Superdelay.
I would recommend the Super Delay over the Vintage Modified version if you are in a loud or anything more than an sparse mix.

Excellent delay though! And yes, I know that the VM doesn;t have to be dialed to sound vintage, but you'll get more usable features with the Super Delay.
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+1. If you want tap tempo, TCE Nova Delay.
The Nova Delay is an excellent delay. I used to have one. It has a GREAT reverse. Possibly better than the Super Delay. Nice and compact, tap tempo, presets, AND you can see the exact settings (BPM, etc) on the LED screen which only the Timefactor can also do.

However I also have a Danelectro Wasabi and I like the sound on it better than the ND. The ND sounded a little muddy actually in comparison to the Wasabi! This surprised the hell out of me when I A/B'ed them. My band has a song where I go back and forth between strings every note that which follows the previous note and played fairly fast. The ND blurred the notes a bit and was a little muddy. Not really bad, but enough that I immediately noticed the difference without looking for it and it really bugged me. The Danelectro sounded much clearer.

However it doesn't have very good oscillation at all. And the Super Delay sounds better. So does the Echo Box. But there is no tap tempo with the Echo Box. However, I am pretty sure one could be modded to have that...
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