HOG vs BMS

bassman515 · #1 07-25-2008, 02:02 PM

I have seen where a few guys have replaced thier BMS with HOGs. Is there anything that the BMS can do that the HOG can't...Just curious.
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coreyfyfe · #2 07-25-2008, 02:10 PM

Its a different sound, digital vs analog, the filters sound different, etc. I ditched my BMS for the HOG because the HOG was going to be more useful, but had finances allowed I would have kept both.

kevteop · #3 07-25-2008, 02:10 PM

Fit on my pedal board?

The filter section of the BMS is totally different to the HOG. Try both and you'll see what I mean.

bassman515 · #4 07-25-2008, 02:14 PM

Gotcha...i rarely use my BMS so i was thinking of converting but i was not sure. Unfortunaly the GC here only gets the Hogs in on a Special order basis. Can you do "Tom Sawyer" type synth sounds with the HOG? That is about all i use mine for...pretty much a waste...
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TOOL460002 · #5 07-25-2008, 05:21 PM

well- got both- been using them for about a week or 2- heres my thoughts.

BMS- definitely has some unique sounds- especially with the attack delay- which cannot be replicated on a hog as far as i can tell. first synth ive owned- and took a little bit to get used to how it responds to volume changes- and held/bent notes. if youre careful- you can keep the notes going- if youre not- they can abruptly end.

HOG- sounds a little metallic- but also has some crazy synth sounds. i can replicate most of the BMS sounds with the HOG- overdrive- and qtron. that said- i am one leg shy of being able to hit all 3- so its nice to have the BMS for that- just one button and you get crazy sounds.

the BMS has features only it can do- but whether or not those features are worth $250 when most of it can be done with a couple of other pedals- not sure. will hold onto it for now- fun pedal.

EDIT- as far as GC having the HOG- when i tried to get one in store (SF CA store)- all they had was a broken one with no power plug (which they didnt mention- and i drove 1.5hrs to buy)- and their system said only 2 other GC locations had one as of 2-3 weeks ago- and those are LA/orange county. chances are you'll have to get one site unseen.

coreyfyfe · #6 07-25-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TOOL460002

BMS- definitely has some unique sounds- especially with the attack delay- which cannot be replicated on a hog as far as i can tell.

If you turn on the envelope and set both high and low faders to the attack side that is the attack delay. Those sliders work on both the attack and sustain of either the high or low frequencies, below the mid-point increases attack delay, above the mid-point increases the speed of the decay time.

TOOL460002 · #7 07-26-2008, 12:26 AM

thanks for the tip. still new to me. bms+hog=too many sliders.

coreyfyfe · #8 07-26-2008, 08:49 AM

haha yeah the HOG can be very overwhelming. Thats actually part of how I got it, my guitarist bought it and couldnt figure out anything that he really liked and then I played with it and loved it. I filled the pre-sets on the foot controller withing the first few hours I had it.

rratajski · #9 10-19-2008, 08:23 PM

So, I traded my PS-3 plus some pedals I made to my buddy with whom I'm in CAVALE w/ for his HOG...

I am in love w/ it...From the way it looks right now, I'm keeping the XO microsynth too. I can't get the spacey filter sweeps to be as strong on the HOG as the microsynth.

Best feature on the HOG is the expression switch...no need for an external expression pedal...lovin' it...
If they could make this stock on the microsynth, it would rip!

coreyfyfe · #10 10-19-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rratajski

Best feature on the HOG is the expression switch...no need for an external expression pedal...lovin' it...

I prefer the expression pedal, you can get some really cool in-between kinds of sounds with that. I have a setting where the expression pedal about halfway down sounds just like a bassballs.

**TheMutt** · #11 10-20-2008, 01:15 AM

I've owned/own both of these pedals. I had a BMS first, but just couldn't like the octave section on it, and getting the thing to trigger correctly was a nightmare of screwdriver work. I moved on to the POG, and then after that, to a HOG. I have to say that I am really pleased with the HOG right now. Using it as well as some other pedals creates a whole multitude of different sounds. It's deffinitely a fun pedal that will be staying on my board.

Also, I'd suggest getting an expression pedal as well. It really is handy to use when you want to utilize the full potential of the exression pedal settings.

rratajski · #12 10-20-2008, 04:50 AM

Truuuuuue, eventually I'll cash in and get one!

Does anyone what the highest pot value is for the expression? Will 100K linear work or is that too high?

cheapbasslovin · #13 10-20-2008, 07:18 AM

I wouldn't even own my HOG were it not for the expression pedal. I use a Roland EV-5 which I think (but I don't really know and am too lazy to get a meter) is 100k with a minimum volume adjustment.

coreyfyfe · #14 10-20-2008, 08:47 AM

I have the Roland as well, I got my HOG used and the original owner said he broke the EHX expression pedal within a month of getting the thing.

rratajski · #15 10-20-2008, 09:13 AM

If it's the 100K, that's great! I have a Moog exp pedal sitting at my house, so hopefully that'll work!!!
Thanks!

If anyone finds out something different, post away!

**TheMutt** · #16 10-20-2008, 01:58 PM

I am using a ToneCzar modded EBVPJr expression pedal that is based off of the Moog Expression Pedal. I like it much more than the crummy M-Audio plastic one they include with the HOG. That thing broke in a few weeks, and my new one can even stand up to me literally standing on it.