Hot hand question?????

Joshuadriller · #1 12-01-2011, 10:31 PM

Does anybody know how the the tracking is with the source audio envelope filter with hot hand on a PASSIVE bass??

**jmattbassplaya** · #2 12-01-2011, 10:33 PM

It's good. I used it with my Fender P with little issue.

Joshuadriller · #3 12-02-2011, 02:14 AM

be honest with me.. is it worth spending $300 on?

rsmith601 · #4 12-02-2011, 06:44 AM

The small BEF is $119 and the Pro version is $219.

We spent lots of time measuring and reducing the latency between Hot Hand and the pedal when we created the wireless version (the wired version is intantaneous). I am not aware of anyone being able to detect the latency.

Joshuadriller · #5 12-02-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rsmith601

The small BEF is $119 and the Pro version is $219.

We spent lots of time measuring and reducing the latency between Hot Hand and the pedal when we created the wireless version (the wired version is intantaneous). I am not aware of anyone being able to detect the latency.

even on a passive bass?? I don't want to get it if it doesn't sound as good as it would on an active bass

Gadgetjunky · #6 12-02-2011, 12:28 PM

Sorry to butt into your thread, but I have a Hot Hand question too.

Mine relates to the Pro Classic Distortion. The manual says "the maximum amount of drive you can get by moving the sensor is determined by the position of the DRIVE knob"

well, there is a DRIVE 1 and DRIVE 2? So which one is it? And if that represents the maximum level of DRIVE how much does it go down from there?

I just got my HH and going to go live with it tonight. Messing around with it, it's pretty subtle unless you really shake your hand, but that may be a setting I don't understand yet.

Smallequestrian · #7 12-02-2011, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshuadriller

even on a passive bass?? I don't want to get it if it doesn't sound as good as it would on an active bass

This is about input sensitivity, not tracking. Either your input signal is enough to open the envelope or it isn't. It depends on your playing style and how hot your pickups are as much as anything else. If you play with a light touch, it won't matter too much if your bass is active or passive. Adding some dirt to your sound can help even even the most passive of passive basses with this as well.

IMO, the SA Envelope filters with my active/passive function similarly enough in passive and in active. I suggest ordering from a website with a decent return policy for an envelope effect if you aren't familiar with them. Envelope filters are very personal and not all of them will work well for all people.

I adore the SA Envelope Filter Pro, but I also adore my Iron Ether Xerograph as well for totally different reasons.

rsmith601 · #8 12-02-2011, 03:08 PM

I am a bit confused here. Are we talking about the response of the filter using an envelope follower or the Hot Hand? My answer was Hot Hand.

Gadgetjunky · #9 12-02-2011, 05:03 PM

sounds like the OP is more concerned about the filter than the Hot Hand. I'm not that into the envelope filter thing, but from my Hot Hand research it seems like you'd really want the Hot Hand to do the extreme fun sounds and have the ultimate control.

Joshuadriller · #10 12-02-2011, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rsmith601

I am a bit confused here. Are we talking about the response of the filter using an envelope follower or the Hot Hand? My answer was Hot Hand.

I guess you could say I'm asking about both the hot and the envelope filter. I'm trying to figure out how both of them, combined, will sound with my passive geddy lee jazz bass

Joshuadriller · #11 12-03-2011, 02:53 AM

Am I still not making sense?

Gadgetjunky · #12 12-03-2011, 12:36 PM

I get ya. Think of the Hot Hand as an expression pedal. The signal from bass shouldn't be a factor. As for the filter part that seems to be anwsered. I say "do it". I had a blast with my Hot Hand last night. It was on the Classic Distortion and just simulated me wobbling the volume on my bass and may have been subtle, but it was fun for me.

rsmith601 · #13 12-03-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshuadriller

I guess you could say I'm asking about both the hot and the envelope filter. I'm trying to figure out how both of them, combined, will sound with my passive geddy lee jazz bass

When you use Hot Hand the response of the filter is controlled your hand. You cannot move your hand fast enough to move faster than the filter can respond. I might be missing something, but I do not think it will matter if the bass is active or passive.

When you use the envelope without Hot Hand I would seek input from a SA BEF user who uses it with a passive bass. I know we worked hard to make it fast, but it is best to get an independent voice on this. Hope this helps.

Joshuadriller · #14 12-04-2011, 05:46 PM

Has anyone else played with the bef and hot hand with a passive bass??

Smallequestrian · #15 12-04-2011, 06:13 PM

The hothand is not effected by your instrument signal. It's essentially an expression control.

There are no problems using the BEF, with a passive bass. Whether you will like it with your specific passive bass will be up to your personal tastes.

Joshuadriller · #16 12-04-2011, 07:53 PM

Gotcha, the only reason I was asking is because a have an octave divider that works REALLY well with my active mm stingray, but doesn't sound good at all with my passive geddy lee

Joshuadriller · #17 12-09-2011, 10:26 PM

Wait.. Can you use the wireless hothand with the non pro bef????

**jmattbassplaya** · #18 12-09-2011, 10:27 PM

Joshuadriller · #19 12-09-2011, 10:33 PM

Nice.. I'm still in favor of the pro just because of its capabilities

**jmattbassplaya** · #20 12-09-2011, 10:35 PM

Honestly, the non pro version is VERY versatile. You could spend a solid month with the thing and not hit every possible tone the pedal is capable of.