How dumb is this?

Jared Lash · #1 02-26-2009, 08:00 PM

So I sold my Octavius Squeezer and now I am seriously considering buying the Brown Dog and 00Funk.

I really liked the fuzz of the Brown Dog and have sort of been on the lookout for one, and then I found a pretty good deal on a 00Funk so I may eventually have both of them.

The self-justification is that the two individual pedals are much easier to tweak and I can place them in two different parts of my signal chain. Plus I just didn't have the time/patience/brain cells to program good patches for the OS.

But I'm still having trouble convincing myself that this isn't an idiot move.

Joe Gress · #2 02-26-2009, 08:07 PM

I have come to realize the the sound of an envelope+fuzz is the tone and playability that I am looking for. It tracks perfectly, it plays well with a lot more situations than a synth might, and to me, it just sounds better.

Of course when I factor in that fact that: B:assmaster= $200, Qtron+=$200, it kinda bites a little. I also am thinking of adding an octaver, which there goes another 150-200.

RCCollins · #3 02-26-2009, 08:15 PM

it's not that dumb. knobs are handy and these are the two parts of the squeezer that work the best

nad · #4 02-26-2009, 08:21 PM

Personally, I think it'd be dumber to go the other way around: trading convenient knobs for patches and their associated headache. But I'm vehemently biased against all things multi-effect, even if the OS is one of the very few I was ever (briefly) interested in.

rnilson · #5 02-26-2009, 08:56 PM

I agree.....
The OS sounds great, but the programming turns me off. Perhaps if they had programming software and file sharing going it would be more palletable, but as it stands no OS for me despite the awesome clips.

Big O how is the Maxon AF9? Does it do a good closed filter sound?

Thunderscreech · #6 02-26-2009, 09:13 PM

That's not a dumb move. How much of the Octavius did you really use? 2 pedals you can use are more versatile then one you can't.

Jared Lash · #7 02-26-2009, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunderscreech

That's not a dumb move. How much of the Octavius did you really use? 2 pedals you can use are more versatile then one you can't.

True. I still maintain that the Squeezer is a great pedal for people that can take advantage of all the stuff it can do. But that person wasn't me.

Perhaps this is the right way to go.

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Originally Posted by rnilson

I agree.....
The OS sounds great, but the programming turns me off. Perhaps if they had programming software and file sharing going it would be more palletable, but as it stands no OS for me despite the awesome clips.

Big O how is the Maxon AF9? Does it do a good closed filter sound?

Just FYI if you hadn't heard it already, but Chunk does have programming software in the works for the OS.

The Maxon is a great filter but it is hard to tame. I wouldn't run it without a compressor, but it's got a lot of great tones. What I like about the Chunk is that it has a synthier feel to it. But the Maxon is super wet and organic.

As far as closed filter, if you're talking about as a straight low-pass with the sensitivity rolled off, it does it pretty well. Not as well as the old DOD's but as well as my Robotalk.

But it seems like it is the case that the wettest, funkiest filters are also the hardest to tame in terms of volume spikes.

Joe Gress · #8 02-26-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBigO

But it seems like it is the case that the wettest, funkiest filters are also the hardest to tame in terms of volume spikes.

Qtron. I think there is a thread on the volume boost every month.

bongomania · #9 02-26-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBigO

it seems like it is the case that the wettest, funkiest filters are also the hardest to tame in terms of volume spikes.

"Seems" maybe... but "Law of the Universe" is my impression of that observation.

Thunderscreech · #10 02-26-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBigO

True. I still maintain that the Squeezer is a great pedal for people that can take advantage of all the stuff it can do. But that person wasn't me.

Perhaps this is the right way to go.

Well of course.

It wasn't working for YOU, so you went and got something that does. Nothing wrong there.

Surprise Panda! · #11 02-26-2009, 09:39 PM

What if it is not dumb, but your perception of dumb is not dumb?

Thunderscreech · #12 02-26-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Suprise Panda!

What if it is not dumb, but your perception of dumb is not dumb?

Yo dawg, I heard you like perception, so we put perception in your perception so you can perceive while you perceive.

Jared Lash · #13 02-26-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bongomania

"Seems" maybe... but "Law of the Universe" is my impression of that observation.

Let it be carved onto the stone tablets. Followed quickly by "Compression does not kill your tone and dynamics - bad use of compression does". And so forth.

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Originally Posted by Thunderscreech

Well of course.

It wasn't working for YOU, so you went and got something that does. Nothing wrong there.

Good point.

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Originally Posted by Suprise Panda!

What if it is not dumb, but your perception of dumb is not dumb?

I'm too dumb to grasp this.

fightthepower · #14 02-27-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBigO

So I sold my Octavius Squeezer and now I am seriously considering buying the Brown Dog and 00Funk.

I really liked the fuzz of the Brown Dog and have sort of been on the lookout for one, and then I found a pretty good deal on a 00Funk so I may eventually have both of them.

The self-justification is that the two individual pedals are much easier to tweak and I can place them in two different parts of my signal chain. Plus I just didn't have the time/patience/brain cells to program good patches for the OS.

But I'm still having trouble convincing myself that this isn't an idiot move.

Not dumb at all, I'm in a similar boat.. though that pedaltrain must be busting at the seams by now, better watch out! I saw you PM about the Ring Mod in the classifieds! haha I'm right there with you on the programming too- ive been sponging up as much info on synthesis as possible these last 6 months or so, but I still need knobs to twist in real time as I come up with sounds and what not. Also with so many filtering options and possibilities, I can't bring myself to sit and spend that much time with just one when i have 4 others on my board filled with knobs.

I've long thought about replacing the OS with a Brown Dog, as that's what gets the most use- the fuzz. Now that my board is filled with moogers, and Im real happy with my filters, I think the OS is going soon to finance some other stuff. I went through a few of the presets with the OC2 the other day and it was sounding pretty damn good- I like the filter a lot, though I can cop those filter sounds with the filters on my board, so it's not really offering anything else that I'm currently using and don't have, and it's too expensive of a pedal to not be using it as a standalone synth, or part of a small group. I've gone back and forth with the OS placement, from the beginning of the chain as a fuzz, and towards the end as a filter- Having the 00Funk and the Brown dog fixes that right up.

I'm going to start looking at other gated fuzz's and auditioning them I think in the mean time, and as soon as I find something that can replace it (or not), or a brown dog pops up used, the OS will probably be sold. The thing sounds great and is pretty damn cool pedal, so it's hard to give up, but I need to start streamlining a bit and get rid of as much overlap as possible.

Chris V. · #15 02-27-2009, 02:53 AM

I don't have any other filters, and so far the only filter I like is the one in the OS. I don't have an octaver either. The OS makes sense to me.

...at least that's what I'm telling myself.

Jared Lash · #16 02-27-2009, 11:05 AM

Eh, maybe this isn't the worst idea in the world then.

I guess the bottom line is that I'm going to have a fuzz and a filter on my board and if those are the two that work for me then so be it.

fightthepower - yeah, my PT-2 is going to be filled by this weekend with more stuff on the way. I think the idea now is that I'll have one "synth" board (with octaver, fuzz, Moog LPF & Ring Mod, another filter, BMS & likely the Holley Erectus) and a "modulation" board with phaser, delay, looper, etc.

rnilson - Now that I realize what you mean by "closed" filter, the answer is yes, the AF-9 can do that sound. Again, I think most filters can do something similar with the range/sensitivity rolled back. The Robotalk did it as well as any filter I've owned, but it's pitch was higher.

I believe that sound is primarily slow attack & fast decay.

rnilson · #17 02-27-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBigO

rnilson - Now that I realize what you mean by "closed" filter, the answer is yes, the AF-9 can do that sound. Again, I think most filters can do something similar with the range/sensitivity rolled back. The Robotalk did it as well as any filter I've owned, but it's pitch was higher.

I believe that sound is primarily slow attack & fast decay.

Any chance of clips of the OC2>Af-9 doing a closed filter sound? Pretty Please?

Jared Lash · #18 02-27-2009, 01:35 PM

I'll try to do it this weekend.

The AF-9 is a bit unruly and can be hard to set just right.

rnilson · #19 02-27-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBigO

I'll try to do it this weekend.

The AF-9 is a bit unruly and can be hard to set just right.

Ah, that kills it for me. Fussy pedals are not my thing, that along with volume issues is a deal breaker.

Max Roberts · #20 02-27-2009, 01:51 PM

I was actually thinking of doing exactly the same thing. I can't really imagine myself using the oscillators and beat locked effects in it. and the tracking isn't too great at the moment. When I had the Brown Dog + 00Funk combo, I loved the sound, it was amazing and very easy to dial in once you get to grips with the 00Funk.