I'd like some honest opinions on two options.

[Nyarlathotep]

It's come down to the bottom of the 9th inning for me, so to speak. I've basically got my dry and distortion portions of my effects plan completed.

The only problem is that I have 2 directions that I could take now to get what I want out of the board system I am creating:

1) Get a GT-10B+exp pedal for the wah, modulation and delay needs, and be done.

2) Get a Superdelay+exp, Modfactor(+exp?) and wait for a Meatwad+exp

My thoughts on each:

1)

• Saves me about a grand in cash and the time of spreading out the cost and waiting for the meatwad.
• If anything better comes along multi-wise, I can prolly switch out the GT for that something better.
• I can expand it with a MIDI control board later and do all kinds of funky stuff in patch mode OR manual mode
• Easier to power whole system with one PP2+
• Very modular with just the GT, GT+fuzz board, or GT+fuzz+lunchbox
• if I want fuzz->envelope filter im prolly up **** creek
• less control in patch mode, and no easy switching of different FX w/o the MIDI board and/or being in manual mode
• Manual mode = no easy switching of FX types

2)

• Gives me a solid envelope filter with a loop for clean triggering
• Will prolly be a bitch to power, even with 2 PP2+s
• more control over individual sections. I can freely switch modfactor presets AND turn it on/off for example
• Lots of money and waiting, especially on the wah/Meatwad section of things.

, or at least give me an opinion

One final note, to be completely honest: I would prolly end up using the meatwad more as an exp controlled static filter and experiment with the auto side of it.

[Chronicle]

#2. Much cooler than the GT-10B. Even though the GT-10B is nice, why have a pedalboard with a huge multi-effects unit... :\

[fightthepower]

If you're thinking about the GT10b to cover your filter needs, then I would think the ModFactor's filters might be sufficient? They'd have to be at least as good as the GT's I'd think.

In that case you could save yourself a few hundred bucks and and just get the Superdelay+Modfactor+exp pedal and be done with it.

[Thunderscreech]

Number 1.


How much money do you really want to drop into this? ಠ_ಠ???

[RCCollins]

3. get some affordable mod and filter effects first to see which ones you actually like/want/need. you can always sell off and swap up from there. don't start with a digital multi. start with some classics

[Thunderscreech]

Originally Posted by RCCollins

3. get some affordable mod and filter effects first to see which ones you actually like/want/need. you can always sell off and swap up from there. don't start with a digital multi. start with some classics

THIS

ಠ_ಠ

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally Posted by fightthepower

If you're thinking about the GT10b to cover your filter needs, then I would think the ModFactor's filters might be sufficient? They'd have to be at least as good as the GT's I'd think.

In that case you could save yourself a few hundred bucks and and just get the Superdelay+Modfactor+exp pedal and be done with it.

Well, thing is that the ModFactor only does one "modulation" effect at a time (EDIT: AFAIK). With the 10B I can have flanger and wah running at the same time, since there are 2 FX blocks with the same list.

Interesting that the ModFactor's Q-Wah can be setup as envelope or pedal operation.

Originally Posted by Thunderscreech

Number 1.
How much money do you really want to drop into this? ಠ_ಠ???

Well, the 1000$ from going that route would basically mean that I would be able to start looking at a new car about a month or two earlier, since I would have my goal of 10 grand that much earlier LOL

EDIT2: Before anyone asks "why are you considering a multi when you've got 4 dirt peds and 2 on the way", the reason is 2 fold:

1) my experience is that hi-gain amps and fuzz models tend to be less than steller, especially after owning quite a few individual ones.

and

2) I once had a blendableOD->Wah->Fuzz setup. Sounded pretty good. Might sound good again. With extra ODs in a separate loop I can go OD/DS->FX(Wah)->FXLoop on the GT.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally Posted by RCCollins

3. get some affordable mod and filter effects first to see which ones you actually like/want/need. you can always sell off and swap up from there. don't start with a digital multi. start with some classics

If there wasn't a recession affecting my US bass playing brothers (as well as everyone else) I might consider it.

As it stands I could only see myself spending more than the Superdelay/Modfactor/Meatwad plan, and not being able to sell the "affordable FX" I don't like to make up for it.

That, and my not going on eBay ever, makes that solution seem a little troublesome IMHO

[RCCollins]

Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep

If there wasn't a recession affecting my US bass playing brothers (as well as everyone else) I might consider it.

As it stands I could only see myself spending more than the Superdelay/Modfactor/Meatwad plan, and not being able to sell the "affordable FX" I don't like to make up for it.

That, and my not going on eBay ever, makes that solution seem a little troublesome IMHO

you got everything you need right here in the tb classifieds.

what mod effects are you interested in, anyway?

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally Posted by RCCollins

you got everything you need right here in the tb classifieds.

Its not the buying im worried about, its more the selling.

Originally Posted by RCCollins

what mod effects are you interested in, anyway?

Every one of them? LOL Which is why the modfactor in particular interests me no end. The simple number of effects and controls (including tap tempo on all)

[Proton Lenny]

OK. Here is my Two Cents.

I'd go with number 2 (if you look at my pedals you can probably tell why )

A few things, I love the SuperDelay, but there are mixed opinions. I find it to be everything I want in a delay pedal. But that's just me.

I like the ModFactor more and more everyday, BUT do not, I repeat, do not rely on it for Wah or envelope stuff. That is the only thing I don't like about it. I can't get it deep enough for any bass wah stuff. The Low Pass is passable, but it still isn't quite right for me.

I don't have a MeatWad, but I'm waiting on my custom filter from Mario. I've heard nothing but good things about the Meatwad if you want a Meatball clone. My filter is based on the Low Pass of an MS-20 filter, so I can't really comment on the filter choices.

[RCCollins]

Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep

Its not the buying im worried about, its more the selling.


Every one of them? LOL Which is why the modfactor in particular interests me no end. The simple number of effects and controls (including tap tempo on all)

i just think that since mod effects are new to you, you should try some basic ones and get acquainted. I'm talking about under 100 dollar, resellable pedals - not $200 clean boosts that sit in the classifieds forever

[TheMutt]

Being the owner of a ModFactor and Grinder (on the same level as, or maybe a step further than the Meat Wad, which is debatable), I'd have to say that you should get the multi unless there is something extra specific that you want to attain via steup #2. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with the ModFactor or Grinder that I own, quite the contrary in fact. But do you really want to spend that much cash on your pedalboard? I did it (and much much more!), and looking at it now I probably shouldn't have spent a fraction that I have on my current board.

[Proton Lenny]

Oh Mutt...shhh...you know you like having all those sweet little boxes of fun. Heh, I know what you mean though.

The one thing to consider about the Grinder VS Meatwad, never tried either but the Meatwad is a lot smaller.

[davedamage]

Originally Posted by RCCollins

i just think that since mod effects are new to you, you should try some basic ones and get acquainted. I'm talking about under 100 dollar, resellable pedals - not $200 clean boosts that sit in the classifieds forever

yep.

But then again, that's why I don't have my Pitchfactor yet. I keep buying small, semi-inexpensive pedals...

[Jared Lash]

Here's a question. Why do you need the Superdelay? What does it do that you have to have rather than buying a cheaper delay?

And that's not a rhetorical question, I'm legitimately asking.

If someone said, "I have several songs where I use delay with my band and I need the presets" or "we jam a lot and I need the autoset mode" or even "I'm a tone purist/freak and won't settle for less" then I could understand.

I think Proton misunderstood my earlier comments about the Empress. I think it's an amazing delay. The question is, do you really NEED all of its features? If you do, go for it. But I was really disappointed to find that all of the features that I actually needed were covered by the Echo Park and my bandmates didn't notice the difference at all. Of course I missed a number of the bells and whistles, but none of them were "musts" for me. Obviously not the case for everyone, but it made me reconsider what I need vs what I want.

The Modfactor makes a lot of sense because it is actually replacing a number of pedals. But the Empress just does delay. If you can get what you need in a cheaper package I think you should.

[Smurf-o-Deth]

Do like BBP, and "Reduce, reduce!"

[icarussmicarus]

I'd love to own an Empress, but if I was going with a multi, I'd steer towards the Line 6 M13, it sounds pretty class and has an excellent loop section stolen from the DL4.

[dannybuoy]

I might be wrong, but I think the GT10B and M13 have fx loops so you can squeeze in your own fx in the chain also, so you could use a real fuzz with a filter from the multi for example, and have the fuzz switched in and out with the presets. Worth thinking about if you weren't aware of this!

[TheMutt]

Originally Posted by Proton Lenny

Oh Mutt...shhh...you know you like having all those sweet little boxes of fun. Heh, I know what you mean though.

The one thing to consider about the Grinder VS Meatwad, never tried either but the Meatwad is a lot smaller.

Yeah, I have to admit that it is a lot of fun to have all these pedals on the board. Even if for no other reason than to make guitarists gasp at the amount of cool effects that I have, or make non-musicians gasp at the number of knobs and lights.

Differences between the Grinder and Meat Wad aren't many. Aside from the price (Grinder: $400, Meat Wad: $319) and size (the Grinder is much larger than the Meat Wad) there isn't much difference between them. The Grinder comes with a few added tweaks, gain control, depth control (not sure if this is the same or works the same as the intensity control on the Meat Wad)expression control for the blend, expression control for the depth, and expression control for the decay (I don't know what the expression jack on the Meat Wad controls), 12 frequency settings versus the Meat Wad's six, and it accepts up to 16vdc for added headroom. The only reason that I went with a Grinder over the Meat Wad was because it had a shorter wait time than the Meat Wad did at the time that I ordered (mine was already built when I ordered it).

It is only after the fact that I have learned that Mario (Robot Factory Effects) has made a mod for people who want to use the effect in the loop when the unit is switched off. Although I have been thinking about sending an email to Geoff (Barge Concepts) to see if the same could be done to my unit.