Idea

[Joe Gress]

So I just had an idea, and I was wondering if maybe someone had something like this or not.

Ok, you know how a phaser does this whooshing sound as it goes up and down? I was thinking it would be cool if you could have your original signal being played, but instead of a phaser sound, it would be some other sound that is slowly phased in. As in if you had a dirt pedal in a loop, and as you played an LFO slowly (or fast. Any speed just like a phaser or flanger) blended your original signal with the dirtbox's signal. So you could be playing something and it would sound like you were moving a blend knob steadily up and down and it would sound like the dirt is pulsing in and out.

And I don't mean something that pans between two signals, but rather just one signal pulses in and out of your original signal.

I know the Toneczar VFM will do the seem less transition, but it still requires the use of an expression pedal. It's also hard to catch. I was thinking of just an LFO with an effects loop that allows you to pulse whatever is in the loop in and out of your signal.

[bigchiefbc]

Originally Posted by joeinsprings

So I just had an idea, and I was wondering if maybe someone had something like this or not.

Ok, you know how a phaser does this whooshing sound as it goes up and down? I was thinking it would be cool if you could have your original signal being played, but instead of a phaser sound, it would be some other sound that is slowly phased in. As in if you had a dirt pedal in a loop, and as you played an LFO slowly (or fast. Any speed just like a phaser or flanger) blended your original signal with the dirtbox's signal. So you could be playing something and it would sound like you were moving a blend knob steadily up and down and it would sound like the dirt is pulsing in and out.

And I don't mean something that pans between two signals, but rather just one signal pulses in and out of your original signal.

I know the Toneczar VFM will do the seem less transition, but it still requires the use of an expression pedal. It's also hard to catch. I was thinking of just an LFO with an effects loop that allows you to pulse whatever is in the loop in and out of your signal.

I don't know of a single pedal that can do this. However, the Barge Concepts VFB-X has exp control of blend amount. So all you need to do is get some other pedal that can output an LFO as a CV, and just run that into the exp input on the Barge. Two of the Moogerfoogers can output their LFO like that, as well as the CP-251 controller.

Also, it sounds like a pretty easy DIY project, so maybe someone around here could build that up for ya.

[bongomania]

Yeah, an LFO controlling a blender. I don't know of one ready-made in pedal form, but it can be done. The ready-made units that can do that are either rackmount or software.

[soulplane83]

Maybe talk to Mario at Robot Factory, I know he's interested in making some new circuits.

[Joe Gress]

So an LFO controlling a loop blend then? Hmm...

The barge and moog combo sounds like it might work, but then it would be way overly complicated and hella expensive.

I would also want controls for the speed of the LFO, a depth knob to control exactly how how deep the pulses would be (as in if it's all the way down, there would be little change in the mixed singnal, so it would be always on, to deep pulses and in and out with the dirt signal), and a blend knob to control exactly how strong the mixed in signal would be. Oh, and maybe an expression input so I can control the speed on the fly. Or a tap tempo.

[wdinc01]

That would be cool. Although I think there is a pedal out there that does something along those lines. I really don't remember the name of it, but basically it was a looper and would switch between clean and effected signals.

[jucas]

Are you handy with a soldering iron at all? Just a thought, but I would think that it would be easier, smaller, and probably cheaper to DIY it, or have someone do it for you.

Or, isn't that pretty much just a trem at the end of a loop with a blend control? If you have the blend then just adding a small, easy trem might work.

Edit... wdinc01, are you thinking the toadworks enveloope? And now that you mention it, I think it was TaySte had a loop pedal that looked pretty feature laden little while back that might've done that.

[bongomania]

The Toadworks Enveloope is an envelope-following blender, and the Molten Sound Toggle is an envelope-switching A/B panner. The Enveloope doesn't include an LFO; I can't remember ATM whether the Toggle does, but it's not a blend anyway, just a hard A/B.

[wdinc01]

I think the Toggle was what I was thinking of in my post.

[jucas]

Originally Posted by bongomania

The Toadworks Enveloope is an envelope-following blender, and the Molten Sound Toggle is an envelope-switching A/B panner. The Enveloope doesn't include an LFO; I can't remember ATM whether the Toggle does, but it's not a blend anyway, just a hard A/B.

Yeah, the toggle's the one I couldn't remember. But, its not quite right either i guess.

[Joe Gress]

Yeah, I looked at both the molten voltage and the Toadworks one. Not quite what I'm looking for. The molten voltage just switches between the two channels, and the toadworks works with your playing dynamics and does not have a blend. I want something to effectively blend in and out a signal automatically, ie the LFO.

Originally Posted by jucas

Or, isn't that pretty much just a trem at the end of a loop with a blend control? If you have the blend then just adding a small, easy trem might work.

Except that a trem is choppy and the signal would be either in or out, with no smooth transition between the two. I'm looking for a smooth and steady blending in and out of the signal.

Are you handy with a soldering iron at all? Just a thought, but I would think that it would be easier, smaller, and probably cheaper to DIY it, or have someone do it for you.

That's the other thing, my soldering skills are limited to fixing pickup lead wires. About five times. But that's it.

I would also not know where to start with building one. I have the grand idea, but making it a reality would take a while. I guess I can start looking it all up though.

[bongomania]

Originally Posted by joeinsprings

the toadworks works with your playing dynamics and does not have a blend.

It is a blend. That's all it does, is blend. But no LFO.

[jucas]

Originally Posted by joeinsprings

Except that a trem is choppy and the signal would be either in or out, with no smooth transition between the two. I'm looking for a smooth and steady blending in and out of the signal.

There are some tremolos that can do pretty smooth volume modulation, so it might be worth looking at.

Trying to understand, you want one signal to stay unchanged, and one to fade in and out? Or were you looking to modulate both back and forth between the two channels?

[Joe Gress]

Originally Posted by jucas

Trying to understand, you want one signal to stay unchanged, and one to fade in and out? Or were you looking to modulate both back and forth between the two channels?

No. One channel. Just the other signal moving seamlessly in and out of the original signal. Much like if someone were to take a blend knob and move it left to right with exact speed and smoothness while they are playing. I suppose I could do this with an expression controlled blender, but I would rather an LFO do it, since I'm lazy.

[Joe Gress]

Originally Posted by bongomania

It is a blend. That's all it does, is blend. But no LFO.

Oh. But it's when your playing the hardest that the signal would be most effected right?

[tomhanzo]

dude that is such an awesome idea.

It could give you a swell effect with a dirt pedal. that would rock so hard.

[El Beardo]

Morley FXB Optical Outboard Variable FX Loop Expression Pedal?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001CMGE6E

[cheapbasslovin]

I'll try to have a clip up of a Holy Stain fuzz -> trem in a blend and you can see if that's what you're looking for. The trem in the HS isn't very choppy but it's hard to do smooth and deep at the same time. Hopefully it will tell you what you want to know.

If I wake up early enough tomorrow to make a simple clip before work it'll be up.

Chad

[Joe Gress]

Originally Posted by El Beardo

Morley FXB Optical Outboard Variable FX Loop Expression Pedal

Not really. I'm looking for an LFO to do that sweep for me as I play.

Originally Posted by cheapbasslovin

I'll try to have a clip up of a Holy Stain fuzz -> trem in a blend and you can see if that's what you're looking for. The trem in the HS isn't very choppy but it's hard to do smooth and deep at the same time. Hopefully it will tell you what you want to know.

If I wake up early enough tomorrow to make a simple clip before work it'll be up.

Chad

Thanks. I'm looking for a real slow sweep to.

[cheapbasslovin]

Originally Posted by joeinsprings

Thanks. I'm looking for a real slow sweep to.

The big weakness of the Stains' trem is the slower the rate, the less deep the effect. I'll do the best I can though.