The iOS bass player thread. (Jamup XT, Audiobus, Multitrack DAW and more)

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Dang, now I just GOTTA try it!!

And Soundprism. I'm dying to play with that one.
I keep pushing MT DAW back on my mud-have list cuz new apps keep popping up with Audiobus support!!

We now have Kaossilator!!

+1, must try this one too!

[Robert McVey]

Impaktor is another app that will respond to guitar and bass input.

Impaktor is like percussion synthesis... So it won't track and follow your notes like ThumbJam, but it will follow every thump, slap, pick, scratch and it responds to velocity so there is some dynamic qualities there as well.

Great for rhythmic accompaniment or creating some cool sounds.

[Rip Topaz]

But the first order of business for me is a good compressor in Jamup. There are three to pick from. What's everyone using?

[adambomb]

Originally Posted by fivestringgecko

Alright, so I'm still catching up on all the iOS threads.... lol

Special thanks to Prieto for sending me his iRig after he upgraded!!! Thanks to his generosity, I'm able to pass it on to a guitarist I work with who has thought about trying out an iOS solution for his ampless church gig and he's quite excited! I'm definitely going to follow Prieto's example if/when I upgrade my iPad interface. Props for an awesome fellow TB'er!

On a darker note, I was trying out Amplitube after the update from yesterday and I'm not surprised that they didn't completely fix the bugs with the B15 model. On is finally ON, and off is finally OFF, but the HI and LO buttons are still switched as far as I can tell. Not a huge issue, but they knew about it, so they should've fixed it.... right? That's simply half-a$$ed in my book.

Also, using headphones still seems okay, but running a line out to monitors (aka my PC speakers in a quick test) now leaves much volume to be desired. It's MUCH quieter than it was before the update. I've checked levels in AT, volume on my PC speakers maxed, gain and master volume in AT as high as they can go without distorting and iPad volume is maxed.

Sorry Amplitube, I'm jumping ship like others have been doing, and I'm passing the word on to my guitarist when I hand off Prieto's iRig. I bought the app for $19.99 with high hopes and continue to be disappointed a year later. I've mentioned iTunes cards and rumor has it that Santa's Elves will be coming through for me, so I see the bass expansion for Jamup in the near future.

5sg.

awesome i didnt realize that Prieto had sent his irig to "you" good job Prieto. your guitarist should give AT a try because that is what they excel at unfortunately not for bass. AT has a very nice and versatile sim for guitar. he'll love it.
as for the b15r GUI I opened AT up last night before worship last night and all the buttons did what they were supposed to do finally. maybe a reinstall will fix yours.

i also noticed the volume drop. in settings my input meter was at a perfect level reaching all the way up just before cliping when i "dug in" and it was on the middle "0" on the slider, but i had to have the output slider on 9 to get the same results on the output meter.

I also (sorry to admit this to all you guys) but i bought the Dual Showman with its 2x15 cab to try for bass. but i didnt have the time last night to try it with PA and the rest of the band to see if it was any good in the mix.

i did try the Blueline and the GK amps in jamup though in the run through and loved both. The Blueline (SVT) with out tweaking sounded amazing during the actual performance. the GK also was good. but.... with the SVT sounding as good as it did i used it throughout all the set last night.

True...the red has its own voice of being mid heavy with a small amount of low growl when pushed and aural maxed. But when the soundguy pushes them in the subs for the bottom the red really cuts in the mix. but since i was using the blueline and GK during the run-through he had it set for those. and when i tried to go to the red in the set it wasn't what the songs needed and I quickly went back to the svt and all was well again.

I will let you guys know something about the Dual showman and if its anything worth getting (bass wise) or not when i get the chance to play with it again with others.

[PrietoBass]

Originally Posted by Duke21

I think you should cut the bass a tad, boost the treble .
I'm not sure which tone you are after. I use the BDDI with the B15 for my P bass when I want a gritty tone (like my Kings of Leon clip).
If you want cleanish tone you could try the B15 with gain about as you have it now (even though I would put it on 75% ), treble about 70% bass on 50% or less.

As Rip say, you could try an other amp for this kind of tone if you wants more lows which are tight and clean, the GK is a good plane to try. the Ampegs will become more boomy then the GK when both the bass and the drive is on higher settings. The GK will stay tighter.
Seem to me like you guy (Adam, Rip and Prieto) have much in common regarding the tone you are after. You 3 play fingers and are after a tone with nice clean tight lows. Me? Well, I guess I'm a bit different/ odd.... I play with a pick and mostly goes for the leaner lows, and rather more high mids and gritty type of tone. Well, not sure if gritty is correct, but I'm for sure not really after a very clean tone.

Thx Duke. I'll add your notes to my to-do list today. I'll have to take the wife on a few errands, otherwise I'll get no support from the VP of Finance for furthering my music-related interests, but I'll get to those and Rip's suggestions today.

The tone I'm after... isn't that an eternal quest?

But... on my non-virtual setup, my VT Deluxe and Sansamp Deluxe are among the last ones in the chain... except that I keep a Boss GEB-7 after them. The whole signal goes into the effects in of my PF-350 and out the PF-115HE. Having the GEB-7 after the Sansamp and VT enables me one final EQ tweak before I send that into the head... sure I can tweak right on the BDDI/VT, but sometimes I find a tone and I want to leave well enough alone... but in order to control the boom and tighten up the lows I almost always turn the 50Hhz slider down a bit (about 3-5 dB), depending on the room, and I may up the 120Hhz band a bit.

The thing is, the PF-350/PF115HE can go low, but it can also get clean. I just don't have (so far, the VP of Finance may help) a good way to record it (and I'm just not that good yet recording), but I know how it sounds like when I'm 7-10ft away from it... and I believe it sounds very good.

Recording with my iPhone is different because I use my headphones, so the whole recording/tracking experience is different... and I just do it and hope that when I export everything and play it through my main PC's speakers it'll sound close to what I thought I recorded...

Most of the time it doesn't.

I'm a photographer, and there is a concept in photography called calibration, which involves setting all of your devices' color schemes to a reference point. I need something similar for sound.

[PrietoBass]

Originally Posted by Duke21

These two clips been done by using the "PrietoBass loophole" on my iPad 1 without AudioBus.

Yay, I like the sound of that! Let's trademark it!

The "PrietoBass Loophole™".

[fivestringgecko]

Originally Posted by adambomb

awesome i didnt realize that Prieto had sent his irig to "you" good job Prieto. ... as for the b15r GUI I opened AT up last night before worship last night and all the buttons did what they were supposed to do finally. maybe a reinstall will fix yours.

I almost missed his post saying that there weren't any takers on his offer (after almost a week) and that it was going in the round file, so I though of my guitarist. Prieto's generosity has touched two people at once.

I'll try a reinstall, but... Color me skeptical. I'll report back.

5sg

[PrietoBass]

Originally Posted by Duke21

Excellent tech lesson Steve, as always.

+1

[PrietoBass]

Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

This is not unusual. When I listen to my amp settings at home the day after a big gig, it's amazing how nasty they sound. Ditto when I listen to solo'd bass tracks off my favourite CD's. Who knew that John Myung's parts had all that buzz and fret rattle, after they were dropped into a dense studio mix?

John Myung? It seems like there is hope for me after all...

[PrietoBass]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Which comp is everyone using in Jamup? There's the CS-3, the La-2A, and the Red Comp. Which does everyone prefer?

I have the LA-2A but haven't used it much because it's in the same group as the BDDI (and you can only select one effect from each group, correct?) and I've been focusing on the BDDI mostly.

ToDo: Check out the LA comp...

[stcy_dhl]

Feel like I should speak up now... As I am now in an amp-less performing at my church situation, like a few others I have seen post on here. I was bringing my PF500 head in for awhile, for some tone coloration... But they prefer not to have me haul that in every week... So I stumble upon you guys throwing around this iOS stuff... Thank you! Currently, I have the free AT and free Jamup... Gotta say I will be going the Jamup route. Since I have a dated gen 3 iPod, looks like I will be going through my iRig.
So here's a question! Decent cable option from iRig to DI? Still hunting around ... Didn't really want to use an adaptor, but will if I must. As much as I like the sound of my btb776, I don't care much for going au natural.

[adambomb]

Originally Posted by stcy_dhl

Gotta say I will be going the Jamup route.
So here's a question! Decent cable option from iRig to DI? Still hunting around ... Didn't really want to use an adaptor, but will if I must. As much as I like the sound of my btb776, I don't care much for going au natural.

First of all Welcome!!!!!
I also go ampless on stage at Worship, no amp policy there too. I could not stand the stale bass to DI sound either.
Going the JamUpXT route is definitely the way to go with the Bass Expansion pack Awesome sounding gear in there.
For the longest before going 30 pin i used the iRig's suggested cable which was the stereo headphone 3/8 plug to left and right RCA plugs with an RCA to 1/4" adapter and used the Left side into DI. maybe there are a few cables out there that just go to 1/4" without the RCA Parts but thats what i used because i had them around already.

[Rip Topaz]

I'm using the same cable. It works fine. Just use the left side when you only have the option of one DI box.

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

But the first order of business for me is a good compressor in Jamup. There are three to pick from. What's everyone using?

I'm not using the comp so much, thus used the studio comp on AT, but on Jamup I still haven't came so long trying the compressors. I've the red comp and the LA2. I can try to make a clip today with both.

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by PrietoBass

John Myung? It seems like there is hope for me after all...

Yes, who knew Myung have fret buzz? I didn't know his bass was plugged into the main board at all.... his tone is so buried that one need a bulldozer to dig it out of the mix, well sometimes...

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by PrietoBass

I have the LA-2A but haven't used it much because it's in the same group as the BDDI (and you can only select one effect from each group, correct?) and I've been focusing on the BDDI mostly.

ToDo: Check out the LA comp...

I've told Calvin that the BDDI should be on an other group. Calvin suggested 2 identical groups of the distortions/ comps in order to be able to use 2 of the group at the same time.

[adambomb]

Originally Posted by Robert McVey

Anyone ever try playing the bass through ThumbJam???

No....
But iToejam is fun

[Rip Topaz]

Originally Posted by Duke21

I've told Calvin that the BDDI should be on an other group. Calvin suggested 2 identical groups of the distortions/ comps in order to be able to use 2 of the group at the same time.

That's a good idea. Not being able to use distortion AND compression at the same time is weird.
I've yet to really NEED a compressor with Jamup, just want to add one so I have it when the need arises, and I want to make sure I add the right one.

[adambomb]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

That's a good idea. Not being able to use distortion AND compression at the same time is weird.
I've yet to really NEED a compressor with Jamup, just want to add one so I have it when the need arises, and I want to make sure I add the right one.

I love jamup's tone so much I haven't gotten into using any of the pedals to shape my tone like I felt I needed to in AT.
Going just amp in jamup sounds sooooooo good already.

[Rip Topaz]

Originally Posted by adambomb

I love jamup's tone so much I haven't gotten into using any of the pedals to shape my tone like I felt I needed to in AT.
Going just amp in jamup sounds sooooooo good already.

I agree!! I play a lot at home so I have time to goof around with pedals. I'm really digging the Mutron and the Boss Chorus. I think I'm gonna add the Q-Tron today, and maybe AudioShare (read the reviews, it's a powerful app).

I just talked to the guys on Twitter, and they assured me that they are working on the comp+distortion issue.
They also said that they "should probably be thinking about another bass pack."
YES!!!!!

Duke,
How's the Reverse Echo pedal? Sounds like fun.