The iOS bass player thread. (Jamup XT, Audiobus, Multitrack DAW and more)

[adambomb]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Not sure if this will end up being true or not. A few days ago the PG guys asked us if we felt it was redundant to add a recorder now that Audiobus had arrived, or if we felt they should focus on more amps models and such. I think it was on their Facebook.
I kinda see the point. With Audiobus, having yet another recorder available is kind of a waste, when they can focus on things such as MIDI switching of effects, or more models.

Focus on gear please...... I think that's part of AT's problem ik has there hand in too many pies and it is showing in lack in many different areas. While there 8 track is good being able to use the amp sims in a pipeline as like a plugin to another App would be more beneficial than to use their 8track it is a good one but lacks edit ability and such that other daw type apps provide like midi and during the track volume automation and such..... And drums.

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by adambomb

Focus on gear please...... I think that's part of AT's problem ik has there hand in too many pies and it is showing in lack in many different areas. While there 8 track is good being able to use the amp sims in a pipeline as like a plugin to another App would be more beneficial than to use their 8track it is a good one but lacks edit ability and such that other daw type apps provide like midi and during the track volume automation and such..... And drums.

+1

[Rip Topaz]

Originally Posted by adambomb

Focus on gear please...... I think that's part of AT's problem ik has there hand in too many pies and it is showing in lack in many different areas. While there 8 track is good being able to use the amp sims in a pipeline as like a plugin to another App would be more beneficial than to use their 8track it is a good one but lacks edit ability and such that other daw type apps provide like midi and during the track volume automation and such..... And drums.

Does MT DAW allow waveform editing and track automation?

[PrietoBass]

I vote for having a good recording capability within JamUp, since those with old gen iDevices (me) can't run AudioBus.

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Does MT DAW allow waveform editing and track automation?

Wave form? I think some. Track automation? What is it?

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by PrietoBass

I vote for having a good recording capability within JamUp, since those with old gen iDevices (me) can't run AudioBus.

Yes, indeed and good point. Maybe not 8 track but 4.

[BluesMan845]

DAMN! I finally caught up with you guys as I'm now on Page 22

Originally Posted by chilliwilli

Ipod Touch or Ipad for an IOS bass rig?

I already have an iphone 4, but for some reason don't feel it's a good idea for this setup.

I have the iPhone 4 and it works perfectly with Jamup so don't think it's an issue. Plenty of processing power for JampUp... Running Audiobus and multiple apps is where things get rough

Originally Posted by Calvin Abel

Hey guys

Thanks for Rip Topaz's invitation, and what a thread!

A teaser of what's coming:

Attachment 306764

This is pretty cool.. welcome to the thread and you guys are awesome!

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

If you use the Irig interface, you can still plug in your device for power.

With the quality of sound coming from Jamup since the update, even Irig sounds great and the noise filter doesn't neuter your tone like the one in AT.

I have the iRig and IMHO, running it through Jamup makes it a way better device than it was running through AT or AK. I see no reason to update to a more expensive input for my purposes. If I was going to record demo quality stuff maybe I'd consider it but for playing live, practicing or just making recordings for fun.. it's great sounding through JU

Originally Posted by nick98338

OK. I understand. When I mix up some stuff for the folks here, I'll bring the bass up in the mix. Thanks.

I used to use Transcribe! when I wanted to create a version of recording that I could play my bass over, in place of the original bass line. It has a very powerful eq section that lets you target certain ranges and boost or remove, then save the sound file with those changes. It's like $50 I think, so not cheap but if you are into learning hard passages and need a way to mess with pitch, eq and making loops, it can't be beat by any other app out there. They do have a demo version. Get it here, http://www.seventhstring.com/xscribe/download.html
If you like it, email the developer about making an iOS version.. I've done this a few times but maybe if he gets more requests he'll see the value of iOS app making.

Originally Posted by PrietoBass

What? I immediately went to check this out... and BluesMan, you are right.


And now, you've gone and spent $10 based on wrong information that I provided but didn't bother to verify well. My apologies to you and to all. How can I make it up to you?

No sweat! All your post did was push me to pull the trigger I was going to pull anyway. I tested the theory out with a free multi-track first and already suspected my findings were going to hold true in MTDaw but took a chance. I actually have found that JU and MTDAW perform admirably on my iPhone4 so it's not like I wasted my money

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

I have a way!!
You must record a bass cover of a Justin Beiber song!!

LOL... seriously, I laughed out loud when I read this... and I fully agree.. I'll be awaiting your punishment results

[Rip Topaz]

Originally Posted by Duke21

Yes, indeed and good point. Maybe not 8 track but 4.

Very good point. Maybe 4 with optional expansion to 8. No sense making it a necessary purchase for those already using MT.

Track automation (without getting too far into it) involves being able to draw curves on the waveform to represent things like volume fade-ins/outs, effects, and lots of other stuff. Then the waveform follows that direction on playback, making the mixing possibilities endless.

[BluesMan845]

Originally Posted by Duke21

Yes, indeed and good point. Maybe not 8 track but 4.

Yes, it would be nice to have a "light" recording app inside of Jamup. If for nothing else other than the ability to "reamp" a track without having to record a new version to achieve the same results. MTDAW looks awesome but it's overkill if you are just looking to make a quick recording over a drum track or some other sound file. 4 tracks would be more than enough I think.

Not to mention, there are plenty of older iOS devices out there plenty capable of running JamUp but struggle with AudioBus.

so, +1 from me

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Very good point. Maybe 4 with optional expansion to 8. No sense making it a necessary purchase for those already using MT.

Track automation (without getting too far into it) involves being able to draw curves on the waveform to represent things like volume fade-ins/outs, effects, and lots of other stuff. Then the waveform follows that direction on playback, making the mixing possibilities endless.

Ok, then yes, there is track automation. I've seen these curves/ nodes when I pressed on edit. I've just never used a function like this before. Very cool.

[PrietoBass]

Originally Posted by BluesMan845

I have the iPhone 4 and it works perfectly with Jamup so don't think it's an issue. Plenty of processing power for JampUp... Running Audiobus and multiple apps is where things get rough

I felt so bad after BluesMan reported about the "PrietoBass Loophole" fallacy, that I decided to spend some time to find a solution or make ADB work... especially since I was the guy originally complaining/reporting that ADB/JamUp/MTD on an iPhone 4 did not work.

After some trial and error, I'm happy to report that I made it work... barely. I'll report what I did on a follow-up post, but for now, here are two-mini samples. Everything is 100% done within my iPhone. The chain is:

bass -> (Apogee) Jam -> AudioBus (input) -> JamUp XT -> MultiTrack DAW.

The first sample is the BlueLine plain. The second sample is the BDDI in front of the B15.

https://soundcloud.com/prietobass/here-in-your-presence-bl

https://soundcloud.com/prietobass/here-in-your-presence-bddi-b15

[BigBeatNut]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

If you use the Irig interface, you can still plug in your device for power.

With the quality of sound coming from Jamup since the update, even Irig sounds great and the noise filter doesn't neuter your tone like the one in AT.

Originally Posted by BluesMan845

I have the iRig and IMHO, running it through Jamup makes it a way better device than it was running through AT or AK. I see no reason to update to a more expensive input for my purposes. If I was going to record demo quality stuff maybe I'd consider it but for playing live, practicing or just making recordings for fun.. it's great sounding through JU

Does everyone now think this way about the iRig ?

I was going to get myself a Xmas present of the Jamup Apogee Jam (impulse buy) but held off thinking that if I'm spending that kind of money, then I'd better research a bit more (e.g. small Audio interfaces). If I'd known that something the price of the iRig would work alright for practice, I could have had myself a new toy for Xmas.

[PrietoBass]

Originally Posted by PrietoBass

After some trial and error, I'm happy to report that I made it work... barely. I'll report what I did on a follow-up post..

I don't know if it made a difference, but I disabled JamUp's background mode. I figured there'd be no need since the audio would be handled via AudioBus.

I selected the input (microphone), JamUp and output (MultiTrack DAW) as you normally would. However, I discovered that once the phone freezes, if you disconnect the input (Apogee Jam) "something happens", and the phone becomes alive again... but don't push it, or it will freeze again (in which case you'll have to disconnect the Jam... and so on and so forth).

The key is that the last time you "awaken" your phone by disconnecting/reconnecting, you want to be in Multitrack DAW. Do no use the AudioBus icon to switch apps. Verify that when you arm the track you get an input signal and record away.

I haven't figured out how to mix down and render everything right from MultiTrack DAW; I'll have to read up on it. What I did was export the track was to Google Drive, download to my PC and rename, and upload to SoundCloud.

The recordings seems free of noise to my ears (but that's very hard for me to determine). You be the judge.

[BluesMan845]

I tried uploading a track of me playing along with Give It Away, like Duke did with Tom Sawyer. Got blocked by the copyright ban-hammer though. How did you get that track up on SoundCloud and avoid that, Duke?

I was trying to demonstrate using Transcribe to filter out the low-end of a music track you wanted to play over.. oh well. I understand why it was not allowed

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by BluesMan845

I tried uploading a track of me playing along with Give It Away, like Duke did with Tom Sawyer. Got blocked by the copyright ban-hammer though. How did you get that track up on SoundCloud and avoid that, Duke?

I was trying to demonstrate using Transcribe to filter out the low-end of a music track you wanted to play over.. oh well. I understand why it was not allowed

Don't write the name of the track on the clip title, just title it as bass cover , play along ot such.
You can always write about the song n the info section.

[BluesMan845]

Originally Posted by Duke21

Yes, indeed and good point. Maybe not 8 track but 4.

Originally Posted by Duke21

Don't write the name of the track on the clip title, just title it as bass cover , play along ot such.
You can always write about the song n the info section.

I renamed it to Give Things Away. I think they have a filter set up like YouTube that "listens" to your sound file and identifies copywrite infringements. Maybe I'll try again with a generic name and see what happens.

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by BluesMan845

I renamed it to Give Things Away. I think they have a filter set up like YouTube that "listens" to your sound file and identifies copywrite infringements. Maybe I'll try again with a generic name and see what happens.

I guess it depends on the file and on the protection on the file.

Anyway, I decided to try Loopy. A bit new to me to play like that, but it is fun!
So
http://soundcloud.com/duke21/triple-ric

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by BigBeatNut

Does everyone now think this way about the iRig ?

I was going to get myself a Xmas present of the Jamup Apogee Jam (impulse buy) but held off thinking that if I'm spending that kind of money, then I'd better research a bit more (e.g. small Audio interfaces). If I'd known that something the price of the iRig would work alright for practice, I could have had myself a new toy for Xmas.

I gave my iRig as a Christmas present to Anderson. After I've got the Apogee Jam I became quite bossed by the Apogee and the refreshed tone.
While by no doubt the tone you can get form the iRig on Jamup is very good, it is not up to the level of the Apogee. Specially for me as I use almost always 70-75% gain on all the amps..... So about 70-75% on the Ampegs, and 80-90% on the Redhead and the GK.
I think I have a problem, I'm a gain junky!!

[adambomb]

I also put the gain on the "red" on 8.0 it really (with sub support) gives a nice punchy growl and easily cuts

[adambomb]

With the gk and sub support I just went up on the overall app gain it has a fuller/rounder bottom