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Old 12-26-2012, 03:30 PM
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Duke, the drill is awesome!!

How'd you do it?
You've become the master of getting great bass tones out of high gain amps. Your sound has really evolved into something much cooler than a "real" amp.

I'm at that spot myself. My real amp doesn't sound as good as my tone in Jamup. I'm spoiled. And I'm still using the Irig!!
Thanks a lot!!

I did see this drill thing when Adrian Bellew of King Crimson made thus trick, but on a guitar.

So, I took my little 10.8V Bosch drill and did it.
I did rev up and down the drill while moving it towards the bridge pup on my Ric. Moving it towards the pup and away from the pup while regulating the RPM give the sound of something approaching, coming by and moving away. The reverse reverb and the rotary pedal just increased the drill effect. Btw I've used the Marshall JCM.

I'm always been inspired by the British 70's rock bass players. They lacked power and overdrive so they used guitar amps. In addition, as we know Amplitube and Ampkit didn't offer us many bass amps, so getting fed up by the Ampeg bass amp on Amplitube and the Fender Bassman on Ampkit, I started trying out the guitar heads mixed with various cabs and mics. I've found out that it was possible to obtain a decent tone out of them. But it was not until the recent Jamup update and the Apogee Jam when I really stated to get nice results!

Out of all the guitar head I always find the Marshalls to fit best for my bass tone. Also the Fergan's which I'm actually knows nothing about. Never seen one or heard of somebody which uses them.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:06 PM
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Tonight's rig:

Yeah, that's right. I slipped over to Duke's side of the tone spectrum. High-gain heaven!!
Here's the BDDI settings:

The Noise Filter is on, but I set it to where it just stops the hiss when I'm not playing.

This would work really well in a band with one guitar, kick it in during the guitar solo to add a little beef to the rhythm section. I've got another identical preset without the BDDI so I can switch it in and out when needed. I've found that its easier to switch tones if you set up presets for everything, rather than try to slide pedals into the chain on the fly.

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Old 12-26-2012, 06:48 PM
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I've found that its easier to switch tones if you set up presets for everything, rather than try to slide pedals into the chain on the fly.
Do you know if there's any way to control the app via MIDI?
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:01 PM
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Happy birthday Adam, difficult to see how old/ young you are with this mask you have on your face, I'll guess under 30.
What mask
No under 40 still though..........38 today
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:03 PM
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And Happy Birthday, Adam!! Hope you don't get the short end cuz Christmas was yesterday!!
Every year!!!!!!! Idk it's been the same every year...... So I don't know anything different. Me and my wife right now at the movie theater waiting for the 8:00pm showing of the hobbit (to use rip's word, stoked)
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:04 PM
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Sitting here jamming the amp of the day (Blueline with LA-2A, total old school metal), and thinking about this upcoming update to Jamup.

I'm stoked. Other app developers have just blown us off or given us "you'll have to wait and see", but Positive Grid has very obviously read our posts and taken our wishes to the drawing board.

This speaks volumes. Every time I fire up Jamup, I get inspired. Knowing that we actually have a voice and people working their asses off to make our music possible, makes me want to create.

Sorry for the mini rant, just had to say it. Positive Grid freakin' rocks.
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Not a rant .....it's true
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:15 PM
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Do you know if there's any way to control the app via MIDI?
I believe it's in the works, they talked about it a few pages back I think.

I'm excited for this update. It's looking like its gonna be a good one.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:40 PM
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Thanks a lot!!

I did see this drill thing when Adrian Bellew of King Crimson made thus trick, but on a guitar.

So, I took my little 10.8V Bosch drill and did it.
I did rev up and down the drill while moving it towards the bridge pup on my Ric. Moving it towards the pup and away from the pup while regulating the RPM give the sound of something approaching, coming by and moving away. The reverse reverb and the rotary pedal just increased the drill effect. Btw I've used the Marshall JCM.

I'm always been inspired by the British 70's rock bass players. They lacked power and overdrive so they used guitar amps. In addition, as we know Amplitube and Ampkit didn't offer us many bass amps, so getting fed up by the Ampeg bass amp on Amplitube and the Fender Bassman on Ampkit, I started trying out the guitar heads mixed with various cabs and mics. I've found out that it was possible to obtain a decent tone out of them. But it was not until the recent Jamup update and the Apogee Jam when I really stated to get nice results!

Out of all the guitar head I always find the Marshalls to fit best for my bass tone. Also the Fergan's which I'm actually knows nothing about. Never seen one or heard of somebody which uses them.
The first time I saw it was Eddie van halen on the pound cake song.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:48 PM
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So, how does the 'noise filter' work differently from the 'noise gate'. Thanks.
A noise filter cuts the "common" frequencies that is usually associated with noise and hiss in audio signals constantly

A noise gate dose the same thing but has a "gate" that opens up for the entire frequency range when a loud signal is introduced that can be set to open at a specific sensitivity and usually a release sensitivity which closes the "gate" which can also be given a sensitivity to close the "gate" quickly or slowly on the hiss and noise frequencies when the loud signal gets quieter
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:51 PM
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The hobbit was ....... Awesome!
(For anyone who was wondering)
It has nothing to do with the bass or iOS but .......there it is

2 hours and 45 minutes
There will be a part two I read the book and there is a ton left of the story in the book when the movie credits started
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:57 PM
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A noise filter cuts the "common" frequencies that is usually associated with noise and hiss in audio signals constantly

A noise gate dose the same thing but has a "gate" that opens up for the entire frequency range when a loud signal is introduced that can be set to open at a specific sensitivity and usually a release sensitivity which closes the "gate" which can also be given a sensitivity to close the "gate" quickly or slowly on the hiss and noise frequencies when the loud signal gets quieter
OK. I think I will need the noise filter then. I've used the noise gate, and it does cut the hiss when I'm not hitting a note. But, as soon as I hit a note, I also hear hiss in the sound. I suppose I could do roughly the same hiss reduction by using eq to drop out higher freqs.
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:02 PM
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OK. I think I will need the noise filter then. I've used the noise gate, and it does cut the hiss when I'm not hitting a note. But, as soon as I hit a note, I also hear hiss in the sound. I suppose I could do roughly the same hiss reduction by using eq to drop out higher freqs.
That's what I used to do in AT when I used the iRig. I used the 6 band eq not the noise filter and took the 6k slider almost all the way down since bass guitar frequencies are between 40Hz and 4kHz it did a great job unlike the noise filter that cut most of the "tone" even at the lowest setting.
Since going 30 pin noise and hiss are not an issue.
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:07 PM
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Calvin,

Any hints on bass gear or gear in general....to come.
I know functionality is a huge thing to be working on .......but
We are all chomping at the bit here
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:13 AM
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The first time I saw it was Eddie van halen on the pound cake song.
You know that Van Halen used to jam with Steve Havkett when he was young, and he learned tapping from Hackett among other tricks.
Everything which is magnetic will produce sound on a bass, a clock, a drill..
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:16 AM
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Tonight's rig:

Yeah, that's right. I slipped over to Duke's side of the tone spectrum. High-gain heaven!!
Here's the BDDI settings:

The Noise Filter is on, but I set it to where it just stops the hiss when I'm not playing.

This would work really well in a band with one guitar, kick it in during the guitar solo to add a little beef to the rhythm section. I've got another identical preset without the BDDI so I can switch it in and out when needed. I've found that its easier to switch tones if you set up presets for everything, rather than try to slide pedals into the chain on the fly.
You are converted!!
High gain is the way to go
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Old 12-27-2012, 04:02 AM
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The first time I saw it was Eddie van halen on the pound cake song.
I saw Paul Gilbert and Billy Sheehan do their thing with electric drills from the front row back in the day.

They did it a bit different though, they actually attached multiple picks to it so they could take advantage of the high RPMs and play faster.

It was AWESOME.

http://youtu.be/OD-C-oS--xQ
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You know that Van Halen used to jam with Steve Havkett when he was young, and he learned tapping from Hackett among other tricks.
Everything which is magnetic will produce sound on a bass, a clock, a drill..
Reeves Gabrals (sp?) used a vibrator on the strings on one of David Bowie's albums. TV remotes make a sound, too. Aim one at the strings and hit a button.

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Old 12-27-2012, 04:31 AM
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I saw Paul Gilbert and Billy Sheehan do their thing with electric drills from the front row back in the day.

They did it a bit different though, they actually attached multiple picks to it so they could take advantage of the high RPMs and play faster.

It was AWESOME.

http://youtu.be/OD-C-oS--xQ
I've got to try that on my Ric today before I change strings, maybe a Dremel is even better due to super high RPM!!
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Old 12-27-2012, 04:43 AM
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Just be careful. This is extremely dangerous. Using power tools for anything other than their intended purpose is asking for trouble.
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Old 12-27-2012, 05:49 AM
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Tonight's rig:

Yeah, that's right. I slipped over to Duke's side of the tone spectrum. High-gain heaven!!
Here's the BDDI settings:

The Noise Filter is on, but I set it to where it just stops the hiss when I'm not playing.

This would work really well in a band with one guitar, kick it in during the guitar solo to add a little beef to the rhythm section. I've got another identical preset without the BDDI so I can switch it in and out when needed. I've found that its easier to switch tones if you set up presets for everything, rather than try to slide pedals into the chain on the fly.
Given the built-in mid scoop in the G-K with the controls at noon, that's a ton of bass boost. Are you compensating for a bass with a lack of low end, or cheap headphones?

If I ran that on stage with any of my basses, it would be a wall of mud!
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