The iOS bass player thread. (Jamup XT, Audiobus, Multitrack DAW and more)

[Rip Topaz]

Originally Posted by Duke21

And of course the emulated 18" miced cab!!

Of course!! It wouldn't be an Acoustic without it.

[Duke21]

and here is the clip Rip wanted, the Reverse reverb
https://soundcloud.com/duke21/reverse-reverb-geddy-and

[Rip Topaz]

Thanks, Duke.
Honestly, I didn't really hear much of an effect. Is it just that subtle?
There's a reverse DELAY pedal as well. Is that this pedal?

[Rip Topaz]

Ok I listened a little closer to the drill clip, and I can hear it. Cool effect, but I should probably get the regular Digital Delay first.

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Thanks, Duke.
Honestly, I didn't really hear much of an effect. Is it just that subtle?
There's a reverse DELAY pedal as well. Is that this pedal?

My bad its a reverse delay!

[steve_rolfeca]

Originally Posted by Duke21

Any of you veterans out there knows more about Ampegs?
I really like the B15, it's clarity is warmth is nice, but it lacks mids control and the lows can be muddy. THe SVT BL on the other side have this amazing low mods and mids in general. In addition the treble is more sparkling then the B15.
Is there an Ampeg model which is something in between these two amps? How is the V4B?

It's important to remember that these are just models, created with a relatively restricted hardware and OS environment in mind.

Real B-15's sound pretty dry in real life, with at that low-power, low-excursion 15". They're warm, yet a little boxy, and there's certainly nothing muddy about them. The thumpy, indistinct sounds you hear on a lot of old recordings have more to do with period recording techniques, and the use of dead flatwound strings.

Oh, and if you want more mids, just roll back the bass and trebled- that's the beauty of those old Baxandall tone control circuits.

V4B's have a simpler, more Fender-ish output stage, compared to the SVT. Most people who are into them, use them for their overdriven sound. Like an old 100w Marshall or a Fender Showman, there's a lot of distortion when they're driven hard for bass.

[Rip Topaz]

Did you guys see the Virtual thread? IK showed up.

[fivestringgecko]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Did you guys see the Virtual thread? IK showed up.

I hope my reply in that thread wasn't too blunt...

5sg.

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

It's important to remember that these are just models, created with a relatively restricted hardware and OS environment in mind.

Real B-15's sound pretty dry in real life, with at that low-power, low-excursion 15". They're warm, yet a little boxy, and there's certainly nothing muddy about them. The thumpy, indistinct sounds you hear on a lot of old recordings have more to do with period recording techniques, and the use of dead flatwound strings.

Oh, and if you want more mids, just roll back the bass and trebled- that's the beauty of those old Baxandall tone control circuits.

V4B's have a simpler, more Fender-ish output stage, compared to the SVT. Most people who are into them, use them for their overdriven sound. Like an old 100w Marshall or a Fender Showman, there's a lot of distortion when they're driven hard for bass.

Ok, thanks, so the BDDI share the same type of tone stack regarding adjustments?

[Rip Topaz]

Yes, it does. It actually sounds VERY close to a real BDDI.

I've used a real one before in rehearsal, and I also have the Behringer clone, the BDI21.

The BDDI in Jamup actually sounds closer to the Behringer clone, but that's a good thing. The BDI21 is one piece of Behringer gear that isn't crap.

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Yes, it does. It actually sounds VERY close to a real BDDI.

I've used a real one before in rehearsal, and I also have the Behringer clone, the BDI21.

The BDDI in Jamup actually sounds closer to the Behringer clone, but that's a good thing. The BDI21 is one piece of Behringer gear that isn't crap.

Yes, the BDDI in Jamup sound very close to my real BDDI.
Now btw, I use two BDDI, one as a DI in front of the iTrack, and one in the app as a BDDI.
I gave some kind words to Brian on the virtual thread..... Well, at least I feel better, with Apogee/ iTrack and Jamup its the first time I actually stopped thinking about getting a real amp!

[steve_rolfeca]

Originally Posted by Duke21

Ok, thanks, so the BDDI share the same type of tone stack regarding adjustments?

If you mean the same as the B15, I don't believe so. The Genz Benz Streamliner is the first amp to come out with a Baxandall circuit in many years, and even there, Genz tweaked it pretty thoroughly for the behaviour they wanted.

A true Baxandall circuit is symmetrical, and flat with the knobs at noon, like on a good stereo system. This is in direct opposition to the Fender tone stack used in a lot of Fender, Mesa and SWR amps, where there's a huge mid scoop (flat on a Fender, is with the mids dimed, and the bass and treble rolled back quite a bit).

The Baxandall is a passive network. I'm pretty sure that the BDDI is just a pair of active EQ filters, like the majority of modern gear. Typically, the slopes on the filters are much steeper than a classic passive tone network, which is why they are so much more powerful, but also sound more processed at the extremes.

[Rip Topaz]

Hmm... That's good info.

So we should be using the B15 in the same way as the BDDI.

What I mean is that in order to boost mids on the real BDDI, you gotta cut the bass and treble. Makes sense.

So if we do that on the sims, it should have the same effect.

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

If you mean the same as the B15, I don't believe so. The Genz Benz Streamliner is the first amp to come out with a Baxandall circuit in many years, and even there, Genz tweaked it pretty thoroughly for the behaviour they wanted.

A true Baxandall circuit is symmetrical, and flat with the knobs at noon, like on a good stereo system. This is in direct opposition to the Fender tone stack used in a lot of Fender, Mesa and SWR amps, where there's a huge mid scoop (flat on a Fender, is with the mids dimed, and the bass and treble rolled back quite a bit).

The Baxandall is a passive network. I'm pretty sure that the BDDI is just a pair of active EQ filters, like the majority of modern gear. Typically, the slopes on the filters are much steeper than a classic passive tone network, which is why they are so much more powerful, but also sound more processed at the extremes.

I've meant more in the way one get more mids out of a BDDI, thus by cutting down the low and the treble.
But, anyway, your tech notes are always good to read!

[Rip Topaz]

Seriously. Keep em coming. It great to have that kind of info in this thread.

[Rip Topaz]

FYI, I tried the advice on the B15.
Cut the bass and treble, and the amp comes alive!! I'm in lust.

[Duke21]

Me too, the controls indeed react in the same way as the BDDI.
Thanks Steve!

[Duke21]

Btw, I've tried the JCM900 today. Sound quite different from the JCM800. The 900 have deeper bass, and generally a bit more wooly the 800.
I like the mids on the 800, defined, but aggressive. The 900 sound a bit "heavier" and more powerful then the 800.
Both can serve well with a bass if one seek a more high gain tone.

[Joe Nerve]

I haven't been following this thread very well as you guys are talking about a lot of stuff that's still uncharted territory for me. I did download a few of the apps yer all talking about, but I've yet to start playing with them.

I did however get a neat toy for xmas:



And coupled it with the purchase of this for $20 (bought a lot of instruments):



And I was playing with it for a couple of hours last night. Lots of stuff to get creative with.

Anyone have any experience, ideas, thoughts, comments? I know it's a bit of a derailment here, but it's on topic with the thread, ay?

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

It's important to remember that these are just models, created with a relatively restricted hardware and OS environment in mind.

Real B-15's sound pretty dry in real life, with at that low-power, low-excursion 15". They're warm, yet a little boxy, and there's certainly nothing muddy about them. The thumpy, indistinct sounds you hear on a lot of old recordings have more to do with period recording techniques, and the use of dead flatwound strings.

Oh, and if you want more mids, just roll back the bass and trebled- that's the beauty of those old Baxandall tone control circuits.

V4B's have a simpler, more Fender-ish output stage, compared to the SVT. Most people who are into them, use them for their overdriven sound. Like an old 100w Marshall or a Fender Showman, there's a lot of distortion when they're driven hard for bass.

Et tu, Steve???



I don't know, dude..."boxy" or "dry" are the last two words I'd use to describe my 64 B-15N and the 77 B-15N I used to have. And V4B's don't sound the least bit Fender-y to me. True, they'll overdrive great at high levels, but they also sound pretty awesome clean, too. I understand they don't hit everyone's buttons, but too many folks think they're only good for overdrive when the clean sounds are way great as well.