The iOS bass player thread. (Jamup XT, Audiobus, Multitrack DAW and more) - Page 44

adambomb · #**861** 01-01-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

Sorry, but the same questions keep coming up, and the same wrong answers keep circulating, so here goes:

Yes, you will get some drive with just an adapter cable, but you won't get the full power output or the best sound in most cases.

The headphone out of an iDevice won't drive a bass cab to even satisfactory bedroom levels without an external amplifier. A regular DI (active or passive) has no gain, and requires an external preamp as well as a power amplifier in order to interface between an iPhone or iPad and a bass cab.

If you have a pro power amp without a 1/4" unbalanced input, an adapter cable won't be enough. You'll need at least a DI, an audio interface, a small mixer, or a mic pre that has a balanced XLR output.

In most cases, the sensitivity of the power amp will be pretty low, and you'll need more gain than a DI or even a lot of preamp pedals can provide. The situation is better if you're going into the effects return of a bass amp or into a powered speaker, but you will likely still need some gain from an active device.

Good budget choices are:
- ART Tube MP mic preamp (cheap 1-channel tube preamp, all analog, all the gain you could need, also makes a great bass DI)
- Mackie 402VLZ3 (compact stereo mixer, balanced and unbalanced ins and outs, EQ, crazy-good preamps, lots of gain)

If we're talking an iPad rather than an iPhone, another option is the ART USB Dual Pre. It's an actual digital audio interface, requires Apple camera Connection kit, but it does A/D and D/A outside the iDevice. Other class-compliant USB audio interfaces will work as well, but compatibility is a bit spotty, and none of them will work with an iPhone.

Thank Steve,
A much better elaborated explanation.
There are a lot of questions that get asked over and over and sometimes we just want to say a quick one shot answer. But your post is in depth. We all just say you need a DI into a mixer of some sort.

**BluesMan845** · #**862** 01-01-2013, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Thanks! That showed me what I needed. I was curious as to how different the envelopes are, since they are essentially the same pedal. Buying the Q-Tron now.

They also have the AutoWah pedal...

adambomb · #**863** 01-01-2013, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke21

I like the Q better then the Mu, the Q seem to be more "masculine" AND have gain knob which is useful.

That pedal is masculine.....

does it have a deeper voice? Is it more hairy?

Duke21 · #**864** 01-01-2013, 11:15 AM

The Q Tron is masculine as a glam rocker from the 80s!!

Rip Topaz · #**865** 01-01-2013, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke21

The gain knob is one of the main differences. I didn't try the envelopes for their funky sides, just as a super EQ. And for that the Q seem to be a bit beefier and rougher then the MuTron.
The MuTron tone is a bit more glassy and thin, the Q Tron have a bit more balls even though the MuTron is a bit cleaner.

Btw, what diddly you think Rip about the tone in this clip? I use the PhdZ amp which have amazing sparkle and clarity/ definition even though it is not as clean as the Redhead. I've btw now idea what is the PhdZ amp.

Edit: based on this one
http://www.drzamps.com/amp/route_66/

Never heard of that amp either, but it works!! As we all know, in this world it doesn't necessarily have to be a bass specific amp to work for bass. It's really cool to be able to play around with different amp combinations without blowing anything up!!

adambomb · #**866** 01-01-2013, 11:23 AM

We need someone with the skills of an archive specialist to document the exact posting of answers to most asked questions but factual not just personal preference issues.
Like "what cable do I need for running from iRig to DI"
Answer : look at post number 204

Duke21 · #**867** 01-01-2013, 11:26 AM

All connectivity and hardware tech info should be archived under Steve R.....

Rip Topaz · #**868** 01-01-2013, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke21

Sometimes there is no logic nehind why I have some pedals... too much curiosity maybe!!

I'm trying my hardest to be logical about my pedals. My wife has a fit every time she sees another iTunes purchase on the credit card!!

Rip Topaz · #**869** 01-01-2013, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke21

All connectivity and hardware tech info should be archived under Steve R.....

+1!
Another vote for Steve as our tech expert.

Duke21 · #**870** 01-01-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

I'm trying my hardest to be logical about my pedals. My wife has a fit every time she sees another iTunes purchase on the credit card!!

Time for opening a hidden account in Switzerland, so we avoid angry wives etc.!!

4Mal · #**871** 01-01-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

I'm trying my hardest to be logical about my pedals. My wife has a fit every time she sees another iTunes purchase on the credit card!!

Just leave a sweetwater catalog open to the pedals section, 7.99 vs 79.99 ought to cure it... That and the occaisional bunch of flowers!

Rip Topaz · #**872** 01-01-2013, 11:32 AM

Time to get funky!!

While I will be using the Q-Tron as an EQ of sorts like Duke21, my main purpose is for the FUNK.

Duke21 · #**873** 01-01-2013, 11:40 AM

I've my excuses of not being funky. I'm from Europe and even worse from the far north... the vikings were not know for being funky, even though they might smelled from funky fish...

Rip Topaz · #**874** 01-01-2013, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke21

Time for opening a hidden account in Switzerland, so we avoid angry wives etc.!!

For real!!
My wife gives me my "allowance" in cash normally, which is a pain because cash can't be used in Jamup!!

**BluesMan845** · #**875** 01-01-2013, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by adambomb

We need someone with the skills of an archive specialist to document the exact posting of answers to most asked questions but factual not just personal preference issues.
Like "what cable do I need for running from iRig to DI"
Answer : look at post number 204

SO, how exactly would I pull up post #204 directly? I just realized I have no idea how to do that but to guess what page it might be on. Search function doesn't find posts by #

**faviobarrio** · #**876** 01-01-2013, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

I'm trying my hardest to be logical about my pedals. My wife has a fit every time she sees another iTunes purchase on the credit card!!

Buy iTunes gift cards and then the purchases are pre-paid and you can monitor the balance from the iTunes app on your iPhone. That way you can brown bag lunch or skip coffee a few times and there's ten bucks.

**BluesMan845** · #**877** 01-01-2013, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by faviobarrio

Buy iTunes gift cards and then the purchases are pre-paid and you can monitor the balance from the iTunes app on your iPhone. That way you can brown bag lunch or skip coffee a few times and there's ten bucks.

+1 ^ Here's a guy that has figured it out

adambomb · #**878** 01-01-2013, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BluesMan845

SO, how exactly would I pull up post #204 directly? I just realized I have no idea how to do that but to guess what page it might be on. Search function doesn't find posts by #

Well posting numbers doesn't work on I devices in the talkbass app but all posts are numbered on the web site in the thread.

Rip Topaz · #**879** 01-01-2013, 01:30 PM

Daaaaaaaang!! That's a GREAT idea!! Lol.

I got the Q-Tron. I like it. I'm gonna play with it some more after sushi.

adambomb · #**880** 01-01-2013, 01:32 PM

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