The iOS bass player thread, PART II. (Jamup XT, Audiobus, Multitrack DAW and more)

[adambomb]

GarageBand needs audiobus for "plug-in" type uses it would be freakishly good if it did

[Rip Topaz]

My amp throughout the 90's was a Trace Elliot. It was ok, but didn't really suit my playing style. At the time, I was playing very agressive thrash metal, and it was just too clean. The EQ section was great, but back then I really didn't know much about my tone, I just turned it up and played.

As for a distinct Trace sound? I really can't say.

But again, having the sonic palette is all that matters. Duke has proven that repeatedly by using guitar amps to get his sound. It's all about the end result, not the name on the model.

I gotta say, I'm looking forward to the Octaver most of all. I really hope it tracks better than the others we've seen to date.

[Kubicki440]

Originally Posted by BluesMan845

I LOVED the Trace amp in AMPKIT. I deleted that app though because that is about all I like in that app.

Yes, so everyone in this thread needs to go and give APPLE feedback DEMANDING they include at least one stinking option for a bass player !! I've done it several times over the time that GB became a serious iOS tool for everyone BUT bass players.

Yes, I did demand more bass options.

[adambomb]

Originally Posted by AaronMB

What say you, sir?
Thanks!

Sorry I must have missed this one earlier......
I plug into the left channel... I could use the right but I always use the left for some reason.... It sends a/d then back out d/a as both left and right sides in my headphones but I always use a 1/4" patch cable from left monitor out to a direct box to FOH. I guess it would be possible to send both left and right sides if there were available channels but I only send the one. The really cool thing about the ART is that the signal I send is adjustable to have as much of the computer processed sound as I want so I could have 75% jamup and 25% preamp direct bass signal or whatever mix....but I always use 100% jamup
There is an adjustable monitor out knob which also controls the headphone out levels but I always have it at 10 when going to DI. My in-ears at that point is controlled by the aviom system so I don't use headphone jack from the ART while playing live.
Whatever the case may be if there is a connection to another device, out the headphone jack could be used also with adjustability but is also effects the monitor out and adjustments would have to be made at the soundboard in that case.

[BluesMan845]

Originally Posted by adambomb

GarageBand needs audiobus for "plug-in" type uses it would be freakishly good if it did

+1 Maybe we should all bombard apple's feedback page with requests for Audiobus support instead of in-app bass amp sim. Garageband is awesome but they just ignored the bassists of the world for some reason.

[AaronMB]

Originally Posted by BluesMan845

+1 Maybe we should all bombard apple's feedback page with requests for Audiobus support instead of in-app bass amp sim. Garageband is awesome but they just ignored the bassists of the world for some reason.

More bass would be "easy" for them to do, if they so desired. But AudioBus would/does break down some of Apple's monopoly! The horror!


Garage Band -> iTunes -> MTDAW:
I fooled with Garage Band yesterday quite a bit - more so than I've ever done (usually it's just me messing with the drums/smart drums). For an experiment--because what's possible/isn't possible, and what order to do things is still confusing to me--I made a simple 1 minute jam with a few instruments: I shared the Garage Band 'jam' via the iTunes option, synced my [wife's!] iPad, extracted the Garage Band jam through iTunes, placed it into my iTunes music folder (a subfolder for bass back tracks that gets synced with the Pad), synced again so the 'jam' I made would be available in iTunes as a song, then opened MTDAW's Bins to import the jam from the Pad's iTunes player; in MTDAW I then copied the track onto the clipboard, and was then able to Paste/Import that into Loopy. Phew - it works, but man! It took a few steps and a few minutes longer than I would have liked the first time, but it wasn't too bad once I figured out the order. (Now if I can just get the Wifi Sync to play nicely, it might save a physical step or two, I dunno yet.)

At least there's another option! This goes to really prove Rip's point! You gotta fool around with the apps to see how they work and what options and loopholes we have to work with.

[AaronMB]

Originally Posted by adambomb

Sorry I must have missed this one earlier......
I plug into the left channel... I could use the right but I always use the left for some reason.... It sends a/d then back out d/a as both left and right sides in my headphones but I always use a 1/4" patch cable from left monitor out to a direct box to FOH. I guess it would be possible to send both left and right sides if there were available channels but I only send the one. The really cool thing about the ART is that the signal I send is adjustable to have as much of the computer processed sound as I want so I could have 75% jamup and 25% preamp direct bass signal or whatever mix....but I always use 100% jamup
There is an adjustable monitor out knob which also controls the headphone out levels but I always have it at 10 when going to DI. My in-ears at that point is controlled by the aviom system so I don't use headphone jack from the ART while playing live.
Whatever the case may be if there is a connection to another device, out the headphone jack could be used also with adjustability but is also effects the monitor out and adjustments would have to be made at the soundboard in that case.

Thanks for this. This is about what I wanted to hear. I already have the CCK for the iPad so the price point and 'additional' options the Art has is attractive to me.

[Kubicki440]

Rip and Duke are inspiring. I am fiddling with my apps more than ever now and also GarageBand. I miss playing in a band but these iOS apps keep my mind of that. What a great thread.

[Rip Topaz]

Glad I could be an inspiration!!

The coolest part of these apps is that the iOS music making world is so new, that there's no rules!!

If a "loophole" works, by all means use it. The way I do my drum tracks isn't exactly the easiest way, but it works for me so it's all good.

I encourage everyone to explore these apps. If you don't know what a button does, PRESS IT!! The worst thing that could happen is that it doesn't sound good, and then you know.

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

My amp throughout the 90's was a Trace Elliot. It was ok, but didn't really suit my playing style. At the time, I was playing very agressive thrash metal, and it was just too clean. The EQ section was great, but back then I really didn't know much about my tone, I just turned it up and played.

As for a distinct Trace sound? I really can't say.

But again, having the sonic palette is all that matters. Duke has proven that repeatedly by using guitar amps to get his sound. It's all about the end result, not the name on the model.

I gotta say, I'm looking forward to the Octaver most of all. I really hope it tracks better than the others we've seen to date.

Tony Levin played with Trace before he switched to Ampeg. So listen to early Peter Gabriel, such as So and Us.

[steve_rolfeca]

Originally Posted by Duke21

Tony Levin played with Trace before he switched to Ampeg. So listen to early Peter Gabriel, such as So and Us.

Trace rigs were great for that 80's scooped-mid sound, with a huge low end and some sheen up top. Mark King all the way, baby!

What was that 3-way cab with the 18, a 10 and a tweeter in it?

Personally, I always found them tricky to dial in for the more organic, mid-heavy tones that I was going for at the time (and still am).

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

Trace rigs were great for that 80's scooped-mid sound, with a huge low end and some sheen up top. Mark King all the way, baby!

What was that 3-way cab with the 18, a 10 and a tweeter in it?

Personally, I always found them tricky to dial in for the more organic, mid-heavy tones that I was going for at the time (and still am).

Sound like nothing for me.,,. I prefer the grindy 80s tone of the GK

[adambomb]

Originally Posted by BluesMan845

+1 Maybe we should all bombard apple's feedback page with requests for Audiobus support instead of in-app bass amp sim. Garageband is awesome but they just ignored the bassists of the world for some reason.

This is why I haven't bought mt daw yet in the hopes of GarageBand being what I was hoping it would be. But I haven't done any clips since the release of the jamup bass pack. I haven't even attempted to use jamup's jam and loop section. I could do a clip of the dual showman tonight at practice if anyone wants to hear it.

[adambomb]

Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

Trace rigs were great for that 80's scooped-mid sound, with a huge low end and some sheen up top. Mark King all the way, baby!

What was that 3-way cab with the 18, a 10 and a tweeter in it?

Personally, I always found them tricky to dial in for the more organic, mid-heavy tones that I was going for at the time (and still am).

I don't know about the trace cab but I have played through this SWR triad and whoa....not only did you hear but you also felt every note. It also was difficult to dial in but once the band got going it was very present and thuddy and growly.
http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/swr-triad-i-386215.jpg

[thebassbuilder]

Ok I have now bought the Jamup, Audiobus and now DAW MT. Can anyone send me to or tell me how to get the DAW to start recording. I am here in my office so I was just trying to test the apps by taping on the phone just to learn how to set it up but DAW is not picking up a signal. My chain in Audiobus is Phone mic(input) + Jamup(effect) + DAW(output). Is this correct and do I need to do anything more than hit the solo button on the track in DAW and then hit record. No signal is showing on the in or out meter of DAW in the bottom left of the app. I hope i am not derailing this thread even though I think it has gone way off course allready which is not a bad thing. 50 less threads we have to go to for answers and conversation.

[Rip Topaz]

You don't need to solo it, but you DO need to hit the source button and assign the input in MTDAW.

Right next to the ARM button is the source button.

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by Kubicki440

Rip and Duke are inspiring. I am fiddling with my apps more than ever now and also GarageBand. I miss playing in a band but these iOS apps keep my mind of that. What a great thread.

Good to hear that!
I can't say I want to fiddle with GB. Did quite a bit of this before but the Audiobus route seem much faster, better tone and less limitations.

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

You don't need to solo it, but you DO need to hit the source button and assign the input in MTDAW.

Right next to the ARM button is the source button.

Indeed, that easy. You also might want to turn reverb in MT DAW as it is on per default.

[thebassbuilder]

Thanks Rip. When I hit source do I hit Mic or Jamup? They both show in the list but the mic is the only one making a signal come through. Just want to make sure if I hit mic it is filtering through jamup first.

[thebassbuilder]

Originally Posted by Duke21

Indeed, that easy. You also might want to turn reverb in MT DAW as it is on per default.

Thank you both and anything else you can tell me would be great. Learning new systems is the least amount of fun to me. And thanks to you all I have now had to learn 3 new ones because of you all telling me about Jamup, Audiobus and DAW Mt. Thanks a lot!