The iOS bass player thread, PART II. (Jamup XT, Audiobus, Multitrack DAW and more) - Page 29

Duke21 · #**561** 01-21-2013, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

I can't wait for Calvin to show up again. I want to thank him personally.

Positive Grid doesn't eff around when they do an update.

+100

Thanks Clavin for following us, and thank PG for great support!

Rip Topaz · #**562** 01-21-2013, 05:46 AM

Yes, I was aware that the Apogee mic has the 30-pin, my question was more along the lines of working with what I've already got (I've already gotta break it to the wife that I'm spending $159 on a foot switch!!).

If you use a mixing board to run the mic into first, wouldn't the level be where it needs to be for the Jam to accept it?

Evangelos · #**563** 01-21-2013, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

The effects slots thing is downright awesome. Can't wait to play with arranging pedals in new ways.

Plus the Audiobus part. Wow. PG did SO much with this update.

I repeat, Ampli-WHO??

Yeah..So stuck in their own isolated world..

Evangelos · #**564** 01-21-2013, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke21

cheaper? Then the answer is simple, iTrack.

Well it s gonna be more expensive in the end for me, since i d have to buy a microphone!So what u say is that using Itrack i ll get a better sound for my guitar than using Apogee Jam.Thanks man.
Im waiting for the guru Steve to shed some more light to the above.
And guys , honestly im very glad to have found you and talk about all this stuff.Thanks Rip for bringing me here

Rip Topaz · #**565** 01-21-2013, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Evangelos

Yeah..So stuck in their own isolated world..

Ok, I shouldn't have said that. I don't want to start yet another flame-war on IK.

But over the last few weeks I've been bombarded on my Facebook by gloating ads from IK about the new gear at NAMM. The only thing they ended up releasing so far was the Irig HD. No Amplitube update, and certainly no new bass gear in AT iOS. Not even a hint of it. No mention of Audiobus support, either.

Positive Grid never bragged. They posted a couple of screenshots, but honestly, stayed quiet about the big stuff. I was totally blown away by the Jamup update. Never expected the Bluetooth thing.

Duke21 · #**566** 01-21-2013, 05:57 AM

Hmm, didn't know the Apogee Mic was actually a mic. This changes things regarding the price. What I'm not sure is if the Apogee mic can actually handle the load, thus I guess it it can handle vocals and acoustic guitar, but I'm not sure it will manage to handle the pressure if placed in front of a cab. I remember I've bought a while ago this Samson USB mic, but it can't deal with my bass combo if I'm not keeping it really low!
I'm sure Steve, Rip and Adam have lots of experience in that area!!

Rip Topaz · #**567** 01-21-2013, 06:09 AM

The Apogee site doesn't list the SPL for the Mic, but the preamp has 40+db of gain, so I'd assume it could handle quite a bit before it craps out.

Evangelos · #**568** 01-21-2013, 06:23 AM

I ve made an extensive search for the Apogee Mic and its got great reviews.They say its the best mic for iphone/ipad for vocals and acoustic instruments.But its expensive since its a standalone mic only, i think the most expensive mic for ios.But judging from the Jam, i m sure its top quality.
Now time to gather the cash.
And it works with everything , including MTDAW

Rip Topaz · #**569** 01-21-2013, 06:24 AM

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about quality. Everything Apogee makes is top notch stuff.

steve_rolfeca · #**570** 01-21-2013, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke21

The main bonus is (according to our high tech mentor Steve R) with the iTrack is the support for 96/24 in MT DAW instead of 48/24 with the Apogee Jam. In addition the iTrack is A/D and D/A which can give you better sound out. Not to mention an integrated headphone amp.
The main minus of the iTrack is this short and stiff cable between the iTrack and the iOS device. You will to buy an appropriate extension cable is you want more flexibility regarding the placement of the iOS device.
Both options are great, the iTrack pack some more features and maybe better tone/ quality (specially if you are going to utilize the 96/24 in your DAW) while the Apogee will cost you about half the price. Both solutions will be a good purchase.

If you want less hassle regarding cables, USB/ Apple power supply (a must) etc, go for the Apogee unit.

What he said.

;-D

steve_rolfeca · #**571** 01-21-2013, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

If you use a mixing board to run the mic into first, wouldn't the level be where it needs to be for the Jam to accept it?

Yep. You'd also get the additional advantages of phantom power for a condenser (if all you've ever owned is 57's and 58's, then even a relatively inexpensive large-diaphragm mic will send you over the moon), and usually, a low-cut filter as well...

PrietoBass · #**572** 01-21-2013, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Yesterday was a HUGE turning point. The pain is a lot better this morning, and so is my mobility.

Great to hear! Hope you get fully recovered soon!

PrietoBass · #**573** 01-21-2013, 06:47 AM

Wow, great job PG! Thx!!!!!

adambomb · #**574** 01-21-2013, 06:58 AM

Wow I went to bed last night just before I pluged in my iPad and phone to check any update of info on the PG site. And nothing so wondering hmmmm I wonder will the new update will drop? Oh well.....zzzzzzzz. I arrived at work this morning got a cup of coffee.... TB.......
Blammo!!!!!!!

Calvin you guys rock!!!!

Rip Topaz · #**575** 01-21-2013, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

Yep. You'd also get the additional advantages of phantom power for a condenser (if all you've ever owned is 57's and 58's, then even a relatively inexpensive large-diaphragm mic will send you over the moon), and usually, a low-cut filter as well...

That's awesome news. Most of my mics are Carvin 58 copies (actually like them better than Shure 58's, they sound better on my vocals). I also have a really cool Shure ribbon condenser (I think that's the right term) that requires phantom power, but sounds amazing on overheads and acoustics.

Man, the possibilities here are mind-blowing!!

EDIT: it's not a ribbon mic, just a condenser. It's a PG-81.

adambomb · #**576** 01-21-2013, 07:37 AM

My opinion and you know about opinions ...... If you have a good interface already, buy a mic that has already been studio tested by time and reviews, that is durable. A good mic will last longer than the "out right now" technology. A shure sm57 will be usable longer than a USB connector mic but I checked just now and a reviewer said it was exactly (their opinion) like a akg condenser mic. And there are akg USB large condensers for less than 200$ and there is a better spec'd akg that has more features that is a real XLR sturdier mic in the perception series.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Percep220
This does say it will handle spls up to 155db
Also under 200$
Not knocking the apogee brand cause they make good stuff. But you may be paying for the name here. The apogee mic says its great on vocals and "acoustic" instruments. That tells me that its probably not a great mic to put in front of an amp or live use.
The akg mic is probably an all around better mic.
But the decision is yours on an interface and how you are gonna use it.
I would look at a microphone purchase as a long term "investment" decision.

Rip Topaz · #**577** 01-21-2013, 07:47 AM

Just knowing that I can use any mic with the Jam as long as I use a mixer fist, totally opens up the possibilities.

Kubicki440 · #**578** 01-21-2013, 07:49 AM

Downloading the latest Jamup update now.

steve_rolfeca · #**579** 01-21-2013, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

That's awesome news. Most of my mics are Carvin 58 copies (actually like them better than Shure 58's, they sound better on my vocals). I also have a really cool Shure ribbon condenser (I think that's the right term) that requires phantom power, but sounds amazing on overheads and acoustics.

Just take a 1/4" out from your mixer, and run it straight into the Jam. Go easy on the gain, so you don't overload the front end of the Apogee. If your mixer has insert jacks, pick up your signal there, to keep the noise down.

Compared to running straight into a dedicated internal mic pre like the one on the iTrack, you'll pick up some extra noise from your mixer. Still, if it's got decent preamps and noise performance, the difference will be minimal.

When you're recording on a budget, it's all about maximizing your existing gear. If you've got some pantyhose and a coat hanger for an improvised pop filter, you might be pleasantly surprised at how good the PG-81 sounds on vocals.

Rip Topaz · #**580** 01-21-2013, 08:05 AM

I prefer the 58's on my vocals at least. It's a tone I'm very much used to. The PG-81 is fantastic on acoustic guitars, though, so it'll work great for my current project.

I'm gonna give this all a shot later today if I can manage to make it downstairs. Still fighting against my recovery. Every few minutes I have to stop and lay down. My back just isn't ready to support the weight of my body.

Luckily, I can still play in my living room.