The iOS bass player thread, PART II. (Jamup XT, Audiobus, Multitrack DAW and more)

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Ok, I took the time to read the manual.

Here's the thing. The drums in Amplitube run PARALLEL to the recorder, so in essence you have a beefed up metronome.

If you want to use them in a recording, you have to export them as a sequence via Audiocopy/Paste, then import the entire sequence into your recording (Brian, please correct me if I'm wrong).

Now, it might be cool, but there's only one set included. No pricing is given for new loops, so the only way to find out is to buy (cheap shot, but moving on). EDIT: I went searching. Each drum group is $3.99, all loops for $14.99. Ouch. That's a lot of coin for not much real-world usefulness.

The loops includes are very generic. Simple rock beat.

So yeah, I stand by my "first glance". This appears to be nothing more than a money grabbing venture. Too complicated to be very useful to beginners, too frustrating for advanced users.

I'm still planning on purchasing the Irig Blueboard because it has the best features of any of the Bluetooth switching systems, but this is offensive to me. At the very least, IK could've included a new bass amp in the update, instead of yet another outstretched hand.

Boo.

Running drums parallel to the recorder is very cool. As you say, you get a boosted metronome. But, I can't see so much use to it other then that. I mean, you can do the same in MT DAW, well about.
But, cool update anyway. Not enough for me re-instaling AT, but some will find it useful/ helpful. Btw, this function (of running drums (or any track) within/ parallel to the recorder) is something Ampkit had since the very start.

So, the new updarte on AT is not interesting for me. Btw, have they fix the noise/ sound/ volume issue? Have the fix the GUI of the B15R?

The Irig Blueboard is indeed very interesting and so far looking like the best option. I want the Blueboard and an expression pedal!

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

That's why I didn't buy the "dongle". Hard adapters, whether you're talking 30-pin to Lightning, RCA, or 1/8" to 1/4" headphone, are generally a bad idea.

The leverage from the longer connector, and the weight of the cable hanging off it, put more strain on the jack.

The dongle solution is indeed "wrong", a cable adapter is way better.
Otherwise, both adapters should work, CCK USB to lightning or 30pin to lightning.

[Rip Topaz]

Audiobus update this morning, too.

[Rip Topaz]

The issue I see happening with running the drums this way in AT, is that if you plan on adding them to your final recording, you'd better be an expert user!!

Syncing everything together after pasting the drums into a track, there just isn't the editing capability there to allow it. I see frustration in a lot of futures.

[Rip Topaz]

Just to play around, I exported the sequence that comes with the new Amplitube metronome/drum loops.

I used Audicopy to bring the sequence into MTDAW. Hmm... It worked fine.

So this COULD be used to add drum tracks to other apps, except its expensive and very basic. You're stuck with what they give you, with no ability to edit. Oh well. I guess it's still something.

[Evangelos]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Just to play around, I exported the sequence that comes with the new Amplitube metronome/drum loops.

I used Audicopy to bring the sequence into MTDAW. Hmm... It worked fine.

So this COULD be used to add drum tracks to other apps, except its expensive and very basic. You're stuck with what they give you, with no ability to edit. Oh well. I guess it's still something.

I tested it too. Basic and it s hilarious that they only offer one groove , lol ...no way im paying... garageband costs 1/3 of their drum price!

[Rip Topaz]

Yeah, I think the cost is gonna shut this one down before it catches on.

$3.99 each for grooves that are so basic. Or you can really gamble and pay $14.99 for all of them.

Now, if you're new to iOS music apps, I can see you falling for this. Most of us here won't bother with this.

[adambomb]

How about a free DM1 that you can build your own beats and paste those into AT 14.99 no way 3.99 no way.
it is a better metronome that everyone asked for for a long time. But I would never pay 4.00 for a drum beat I have hundreds of drum beat loops in logic 9 and there are lots of virtual drum pad apps, and for 5.00 you can create an endless amount of drum loops in GB to paste in. Why did IK waste there time and efforts on drums. (Expensive drums at that) for 15.00 can you imagine the drum apps that could be purchased with that?
Was it requested that much? I would think people ask for more gear than drums.
I'm not mad at IK I just don't see their logic on this one.

[Rip Topaz]

Originally Posted by adambomb

How about a free DM1 that you can build your own beats and paste those into AT 14.99 no way 3.99 no way.
it is a better metronome that everyone asked for for a long time. But I would never pay 4.00 for a drum beat I have hundreds of drum beat loops in logic 9 and there are lots of virtual drum pad apps, and for 5.00 you can create an endless amount of drum loops in GB to paste in. Why did IK waste there time and efforts on drums. (Expensive drums at that) for 15.00 can you imagine the drum apps that could be purchased with that?
Was it requested that much? I would think people ask for more gear than drums.
I'm not mad at IK I just don't see their logic on this one.

The logic is pretty much see-through to me.

I'm gonna try to say this without bashing.

It's pretty simple. Keep everything in-app, don't play well with others. All-in-one "solution" for the inexperienced.

If they keep it all in-app, they keep the money. All of it. And most will pay it before they realize they've been duped.

The experienced will quickly realize that with DM1, or even Garageband, the same thing can be accomplished (better) for a LOT cheaper.

But if you only have Amplitube, and you don't troll the forums for new knowledge, it looks great. So when you (the average noob) goes into Guitar Center and gets talked into the Irig adaptor, they go home and install Amplitube and all the little goodies look awesome!!

Then a few months later when you've done your homework, learned the app and started looking for other, better ways of doing things, you realize how much money you've wasted.

But from IK's POV, it's pretty simple. Keep everything in Amplitube, and keep all the money in Amplitube.

No offense meant by this to the IK guys, it's simple business.

[adambomb]

Yeah ....follow the money and you'll find the answer.....I wish IK would have just stayed at what they excel in and that's pedal/amp/cab/mic sim.....to me the app is stretched too thin when the efforts should be placed in the original intent of the app. If they released a new amp as in app purchase and tweaked the app for optimum sound.... Us as customers would keep the ship moving by the new gear purchases every other month or and there would be a steady influx of money at all times not drums....they should focus efforts in being the best amp sim instead of ....this....more would find there app as a usable tool if they would open up and be the best they can be. Right now IK is about to hit a wall... the iOS world is no longer (go in an audio app and stay there) the way it was. Before I could see the logic in their multitrack and all but now they should focus on making there amp sim portion better to be the best. Right now jamup has that covered. If they don't want to go under they need to focus on that. Their drum portion offers nothing to me. Nice but no thank you.

[Rip Topaz]

Originally Posted by adambomb

Yeah ....follow the money and you'll find the answer.....I wish IK would have just stayed at what they excel in and that's pedal/amp/cab/mic sim.....to me the app is stretched too thin when the efforts should be placed in the original intent of the app. If they released a new amp as in app purchase and tweaked the app for optimum sound.... Us as customers would keep the ship moving by the new gear purchases every other month or and there would be a steady influx of money at all times not drums....they should focus efforts in being the best amp sim instead of ....this....more would find there app as a usable tool if they would open up and be the best they can be. Right now IK is about to hit a wall... the iOS world is no longer (go in an audio app and stay there) the way it was.

That's the funny thing, IK uses their top spot in the App Store as their argument when confronted about Amplitube iOS' problems or suggestions.

But that top spot only shows sales. It doesn't show customer satisfaction by any means. It also doesn't show return customers.

I don't want to start bashing IK (turning over a new leaf and all), but this is a shame. I can't see any real use for these drums other than from IK's POV. It's the next new money pit.

[RCCollins]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Amplitude
Wow. Just wow.

You said it all

[Rip Topaz]

Originally Posted by RCCollins

You said it all

Wow, man. Lol. I didn't do that on purpose, but yeah.

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by adambomb

Yeah ....follow the money and you'll find the answer.....I wish IK would have just stayed at what they excel in and that's pedal/amp/cab/mic sim.....to me the app is stretched too thin when the efforts should be placed in the original intent of the app. If they released a new amp as in app purchase and tweaked the app for optimum sound.... Us as customers would keep the ship moving by the new gear purchases every other month or and there would be a steady influx of money at all times not drums....they should focus efforts in being the best amp sim instead of ....this....more would find there app as a usable tool if they would open up and be the best they can be. Right now IK is about to hit a wall... the iOS world is no longer (go in an audio app and stay there) the way it was. Before I could see the logic in their multitrack and all but now they should focus on making there amp sim portion better to be the best. Right now jamup has that covered. If they don't want to go under they need to focus on that. Their drum portion offers nothing to me. Nice but no thank you.

Quite amazing actually, in AT you have now 2 guitar packs, one vocal pack, now they add some drums. Folks with keyboard have sampletank. Still amaze me that there is so little attention to bass. Almost like asking a common guitar player about which bass your player use? Answer? It's blue.

[RCCollins]

This might be a little off-topic but I bet someone can answer my question easily:

I want to sync the midi clock of my (Mac) laptop to my iPad (as the master). Do I need an adapter or is this possible wirelessly?

[Melonthief]

I initially had the same problems with iRig>amplitube>iPhone and when I was about to take the thing back to the store I decided to experiment with different headphones. Bingo! Volume issues solved. Still not thrilled with amplitubes lack of bass stuff so I downloaded jam up. Hopefully that will be better.

[neuman]

I am anxiously awaiting Bass Pack II and am myself an Apogee Convert. Works well.

I use Apogee -> iPhone 4s -> Art Tube PreAmp -> Peavey MegaBass -> Carvin neo 2 x 10 and really enjoy what JamUp does and I do like experimenting with different sound chains in Amplitube.

I am trying to set-up JamUp as my back up to my pedalboard for my band but for experimentation (and the fact I dropped some coin into Amplitube) I still use them all at home.

I am really looking forward to the bluetooth footswitches. IK's looks usable and I like the ability to connect an expression pedal. Maybe a tax return "gift" is out there for me....

[RCCollins]

I can't wait for more EFFECTS-oriented apps to appear and fill that niche of the audiobus chain. Jamup is VERY cool for playing bass, but I see no reason to be limited by stompbox modelling on iOS.

[adambomb]

Originally Posted by Melonthief

..... Still not thrilled with amplitubes lack of bass stuff so I downloaded jam up. Hopefully that will be better.

Jamup xt's bass stuff is way above AT's bass stuff. Hugely better if you haven't played throught the jamup's bass pack yet. You will not be disappointed.

[adambomb]

Originally Posted by RCCollins

I can't wait for more EFFECTS-oriented apps to appear and fill that niche of the audiobus chain. Jamup is VERY cool for playing bass, but I see no reason to be limited by stompbox modelling on iOS.

That is a niche that I don't think anyone has tapped into yet. Just effect pedal sims and effect based gear for audiobus use. It seems It could be very processor friendly to have a simple streamlined effect app running instead if a larger based app running for effects in that slot.